Nikki Haley

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Though not a legal document in the same sense as the Constitution many of our ideals are laid out there. Especially:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You should have quoted the beginning ideal. Our ideals of self-determination. "When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitles them...."

Great ideal don't you think. Too bad the yankees didn't think so. It would have saved a lot of lives.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

You should have quoted the beginning ideal. Our ideals of self-determination. "When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitles them...."

Great ideal don't you think. Too bad the yankees didn't think so. It would have saved a lot of lives.

Good-Ole-Rebel

How does that support the traitorous acts of the south? One cannot use the fact that they were being pressured to change their immoral ways as an excuse.

 

[Revoltingest]

That can happen. I wonder what Mexico thinks of Texas.

Great place to move to.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

How does that support the traitorous acts of the south? One cannot use the fact that they were being pressured to change their immoral ways as an excuse.

Just following one of those ideals you bring up. Funny how you and others want to apply the ideals found in the Declaration of Independence to you but not to the South. It is the same old story. Unequal representation. It continually plays out. It is why the South seceded.

God-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just following one of those ideals you bring up. Funny how you and others want to apply the ideals found in the Declaration of Independence to you but not to the South. It is the same old story. Unequal representation. It continually plays out. It is why the South seceded.

God-Ole-Rebel

No, you cherry picked. The problem with that is your argument fails when you take all of the ideals into consideration. All of those ideals can be applied to the North in this context and they are consistent with them.

And how was representation unequal for the South? If anything they were over represented in Congress.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

No, you cherry picked. The problem with that is your argument fails when you take all of the ideals into consideration. All of those ideals can be applied to the North in this context and they are consistent with them.

And how was representation unequal for the South? If anything they were over represented in Congress.

Funny how you like to cherry pick. If you and the North believe in the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, why not let the South secede?

Why? Because you just want to use what is beneficial for you and ignore everyone else. Thus the very need for secession.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny how you like to cherry pick. If you and the North believe in the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, why not let the South secede?

Why? Because you just want to use what is beneficial for you and ignore everyone else. Thus the very need for secession.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Where did I cherry pick? You asked for one of the ideals that the South violated. I gave you one. And there is nothing in the Declaration that would justify the South's secession.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Where did I cherry pick? You asked for one of the ideals that the South violated. I gave you one. And there is nothing in the Declaration that would justify the South's secession.

I just gave you one.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

I just gave you one.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You gave one that was not applied properly while ignoring the ones that the south violated.

If you read it the first claim was that all men are created equal. In a document of that kind one lists the most important claims first. The South violated that. Nor can you bring up the claim about the consent of the governed. Were the slaves consulted about who governs them? You know that was not the case. You cannot use that as a result. The South with their demand for slavery cut themselves off from that document.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You gave one that was not applied properly while ignoring the ones that the south violated.

If you read it the first claim was that all men are created equal. In a document of that kind one lists the most important claims first. The South violated that. Nor can you bring up the claim about the consent of the governed. Were the slaves consulted about who governs them? You know that was not the case. You cannot use that as a result. The South with their demand for slavery cut themselves off from that document.

No, the first 'ideal' was the right to self determination. "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them...."

B.S. Of course no slaves were consulted. Based on your statement that no slaves were consulted then you can't use the Declaration either. Nor can you use the Constitution.

All the colonies adopted the Declaration of Independence. Not just the South.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, the first 'ideal' was the right to self determination. "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them...."

B.S. Of course no slaves were consulted. Based on your statement that no slaves were consulted then you can't use the Declaration either. Nor can you use the Constitution.

All the colonies adopted the Declaration of Independence. Not just the South.

Good-Ole-Rebel

That was not an ideal. The ideals are the reasons for the separation.

And you appear to be very confused again. The Declaration was a legal document between England and America. We were discussing the ideals in that document since you tried to use it. I explained why you could not. You failed since you could not separate the ideals from the action arising from following those ideals.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

That was not an ideal. The ideals are the reasons for the separation.

And you appear to be very confused again. The Declaration was a legal document between England and America. We were discussing the ideals in that document since you tried to use it. I explained why you could not. You failed since you could not separate the ideals from the action arising from following those ideals.

The desire and right of self determination is an ideal held by Americans. Unless you try and secede from them.

No, I am just wading through your bs. Due to your statement concerning 'no slaves were consulted' you can't present anything in the Declaration or the Constitution to prove your point.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

The desire and right of self determination is an ideal held by Americans. Unless you try and secede from them.

No, I am just wading through your bs. Due to your statement concerning 'no slaves were consulted' you can't present anything in the Declaration or the Constitution to prove your point.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You forgot slavery. A nation cannot endorse slavery and mouth claims about self determination. The fact that no slaves were consulted is not BS. It sinks your argument.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You forgot slavery. A nation cannot endorse slavery and mouth claims about self determination. The fact that no slaves were consulted is not BS. It sinks your argument.

Then ignore the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Your statement is bs.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then ignore the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Your statement is bs.

Good-Ole-Rebel

No, at best you did not understand it. I have been reasoning consistently. You . . . not so much. You have been trying to justify the traitorous acts of the South, but your own basis of your claims refute you.

The problem was that the South wanted to continue an immoral institution. It was time to move on and they refused to do so.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No, at best you did not understand it. I have been reasoning consistently. You . . . not so much. You have been trying to justify the traitorous acts of the South, but your own basis of your claims refute you.

The problem was that the South wanted to continue an immoral institution. It was time to move on and they refused to do so.

And then they lost. Making them traitors AND losers.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

No, at best you did not understand it. I have been reasoning consistently. You . . . not so much. You have been trying to justify the traitorous acts of the South, but your own basis of your claims refute you.

The problem was that the South wanted to continue an immoral institution. It was time to move on and they refused to do so.

I understand it perfectly. Consultation of black slaves played no role in the Declaration or Constitution. Based on your bs. you must ignore them.

Time for you to move on.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

I understand it perfectly. Consultation of black slaves played no role in the Declaration or Constitution. Based on your bs. you must ignore them.

Time for you to move on.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You do not seem to understand. You tried to use it the Declaration as an excuse for the South's bad behavior. That claim was refuted. The South clearly violated both the letter and the spirit of that document.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

And then they lost. Making them traitors AND losers.

Losing doesn't make one a traitor. Who came up with that? England lost the war to the Colonies. They must have been traitors....right?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Subduction Zone]

Losing doesn't make one a traitor. Who came up with that? England lost the war to the Colonies. They must have been traitors....right?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Once again you did not understand the post. He never claimed or implied that losing made them traitors. They were traitors regardless. Losing only made them losers.