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Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible

Audie

Veteran Member
I'm sure the Book of Genesis would make a very wonderful transcript of records don't you agree?
Regarding evidence of a flood that happened 4,000-5,000 years ago would be like
a gun thrown at the general area of the Pacific Ocean - do you follow me?

But for me it would be the Bible
and the 2014 discovery by the American geologist finding a solidified ocean 400-600 km down the Earth.

On your regional flood, which I heard that before in some National Geographic episode
Somewhere in the Black Sea
Why did Noah have to make an enormous ark?
Why did he collect pairs of land animals?
If that is just an insignificant flood.

There is a lot of water in solid rock, down deep.
Not liquid sloshing about.
To make concrete, you mix water with cement.
How do you get the water back out?
Your underground reservoir is like that.
No more liquid than a sidewalk.

How that could be part of a flood is a bit hard
to imagine.

If you only look at data that can be made somehow
to seem to fit your "flood" but do not look at or
consider the many ways that a world wide flood
is falsified (disproven), that is not really being very
honest with yourself.

The existence of polar ice far older than any possible
flood date disproves "flood", just for one.

As for why did noah make an ark?

There was no noah,ark, or flood. It is just
a story.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Hong Kong - there is a worship service there
and I have brethren of the faith in HK
A lot of Filipina domestic workers in HK.

"Nanny, Nanay" is a vid on YouTube
can't forget that because
I cried a little when I watched it

I know.
Guess why I so easily recognized Tagalog.

They all gather in Central on Sunday.
Tens of thousands of them.
We always had Filipinas working for us, when
I lived in HK.

Some of the workers are treated very badly, it is sad.
I wish they could earn enough at home, so they
do not have to go overseas.
But at that, they earn more than Chinese
migrants in the factories.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Every time I see the "all these fulfilled prophecies!" claim, I ask for a list of unambiguous fulfilled Biblical prophecies. I must have asked over a hundred times, and I have only ever had two answers. The first is no response. The second is; "... well... Israel..." and that's it. Got any others?

All the archaeological claims support the historical context of Biblical stories, but with few exceptions, rarely do the support the specific events of the Bible except in the broadest of terms. By all means, show me examples to the contrary, please.

"Human history"? I think that's double dipping in the archaeology well.

"Life changes" I'm not even sure what that's meant to mean, let alone how it's evidence of Biblical accuracy.

In short, I think you're ad hoc-ing. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

I did NOT say, EVER, at RF, "Well, Israel..."

I said, for a start, that it was prophesied Israel in diaspora would 1) go to many lands 2) be a blessing in each land 3) experience persecution in each land 4) return to form a new Jewish land in one day, in 1948 CE! SPECIFIC.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I did NOT say, EVER, at RF, "Well, Israel..."

I said, for a start, that it was prophesied Israel in diaspora would 1) go to many lands 2) be a blessing in each land 3) experience persecution in each land 4) return to form a new Jewish land in one day, in 1948 CE! SPECIFIC.
It does not give a specific date. How can you still even be saying that? We've been through this before. More than once.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
Reasonable. I am usually satisfied with polar ice
that shows the same thing, with a date far older than
any bible story, but much younger than 20,000,000 yrs.
The polar ice cap data is even stronger, since there has been so much more work done with them. Not to mention the fact that a global flood would have damaged them greatly or destroyed them and they would not exist as they presently do to provide the evidence that they provide. Wow. That sentence gave me cramps writing it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The polar ice cap data is even stronger, since there has been so much more work done with them. Not to mention the fact that a global flood would have damaged them greatly or destroyed them and they would not exist as they presently do to provide the evidence that they provide. Wow. That sentence gave me cramps writing it.

If they went under water, they would float. And float away.
Break up. As t he water rose up the slopes, it would start
breaking away. Imagine the buoyancy force of 1000 ft of ice!
Do a little math on the upward force of one square foot
1000 ft deep. Or ten thousand, there is some real thick ice.


One flood-believer explained it that they did
rise up, but, circumpolar current in the south, kept
ir from going anywhere. Then it settled back down.

When I showed a contour map with all the mountains
and asked if it set back exactly where it had been, he
hesitated for a bit.

THEN, he decided that the ice stayed stuck down, and
that there is a layer of mud in the ice to show where
the flood was!

Also, that the extra water from the flood was wafted
to Neptune where it shines to this day as a warning
beacon against incoming rogue Angels.

I will leave it to you to think of a comment on that.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm sure the Book of Genesis would make a very wonderful transcript of records don't you agree?
No. It is a series of claims without backing.
Regarding evidence of a flood that happened 4,000-5,000 years ago would be like
a gun thrown at the general area of the Pacific Ocean - do you follow me?[/QUOTE]No.

But for me it would be the Bible
and the 2014 discovery by the American geologist finding a solidified ocean 400-600 km down the Earth.
Clearly, your standards of evidence are very soft.

A man in New York is struck on his head with a rock and killed. A scientist found rocks in Arizona. Let us seek the killer in Arizona. That is about the same level of evidence that finding water bound up in rocks provides for a global flood.

On your regional flood, which I heard that before in some National Geographic episode
Somewhere in the Black Sea
Why did Noah have to make an enormous ark?
To fit the story that it was plagiarized from. You are assuming only one claim of the story is incorrect. There is no evidence for any of the story.
Why did he collect pairs of land animals?
If that is just an insignificant flood.
Why does any legend take on the scale it does. All the evidence indicates that Billy the Kid did not kill 21 men by the time he was 21 and was not the genius leader of a successful outlaw band. But legends grow with the telling.

Since there are estimated to be anywhere from three million to 100 million species living on the earth, how did they manage to get two pair of each on the ark? That must have been one stinking, crowded boat. Speaking of pairs. What good would a pair of worker bees or termites do to perpetuate the species. Would it be two colonies of bees, ants, termites or any species with division of labor and casts of reproductives. How do you think they handled that in the mythical story?
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
If they went under water, they would float. And float away.
Break up. As t he water rose up the slopes, it would start
breaking away. Imagine the buoyancy force of 1000 ft of ice!
Do a little math on the upward force of one square foot
1000 ft deep. Or ten thousand, there is some real thick ice.


One flood-believer explained it that they did
rise up, but, circumpolar current in the south, kept
ir from going anywhere. Then it settled back down.

When I showed a contour map with all the mountains
and asked if it set back exactly where it had been, he
hesitated for a bit.

THEN, he decided that the ice stayed stuck down, and
that there is a layer of mud in the ice to show where
the flood was!

Also, that the extra water from the flood was wafted
to Neptune where it shines to this day as a warning
beacon against incoming rogue Angels.

I will leave it to you to think of a comment on that.
Except for that last one, I have heard some of the same limp rationalization to address the fact that the flood would have destroyed the polar icecaps.

I have heard something similar involving the moon and water shot at it, but by the time those stories come up, I have probably lost interest in talking with the person that brings it to the table. There is only so much lunacy I can deal with at one time.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
One of the prophecies is the 3rd seal in the Book of Revelations.
I have already revealed what the 1st and 2nd seal were about and shown where it was in history.
1st - 380 AD - Nicene Christianity
2nd - 1096-1291 AD - Crusades

I have to move forward to the 3rd seal to
show "a prophecy from any religion that wasn't either so vague that it could mean virtually anything or was simply no different than an accurate prediction"
The seven seals are events written by the apostle John as recorded in the Book of Rev before 100 AD
The events prophesied far into the future from 380 AD to 1939 AD

Now to the 3rd seal:
Revelation 6:5-6 New International Version (NIV)
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

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When did this prophecy written? before 100 AD
When did this prophecy fulfilled? 1315-1322
Where did this happen? Europe
What represents the black horse? Famine

History recorded as:
The Great Famine of 1315–1317 (occasionally dated 1315–1322) was the first of a series of large-scale crises that struck Europe early in the 14th century. ... Crop failures lasted through 1316 until the summer harvest in 1317, and Europe did not fully recover until 1322.
Great Famine of 1315–1317 - Wikipedia

How are we sure that this is really the history foretold way back 100 AD?

In the year of our Lord 1315, apart from the other hardships with which England was afflicted, hunger grew in the land.... Meat and eggs began to run out, capons and fowl could hardly be found, animals died of pest, swine could not be fed because of the excessive price of fodder. A quarter of wheat or beans or peas sold for twenty shillings [In 1313 a quarter of wheat sold for five shillings.], barley for a mark, oats for ten shillings. A quarter of salt was commonly sold for thirty-five shillings, which in former times was quite unheard of. The land was so oppressed with want that whe the king came to St. Albans on the feast of St. Laurence [August 10] it was hardly possible to find bread on sale to supply his immediate household....

The dearth began in the month of May and lasted until the feast of the nativity of the Virgin [September 8]. The summer rains were so heavy that grain could not ripen. It could hardly be gathered and used to bake bread down to the said feast day unless it was first put in vessels to dry. Around the end of autumn the dearth was mitigated in part, but toward Christmas it became as bad as before. Bread did not have its usual nourishing power and strength because the grain was not nourished by the warmth of summer sunshine. Hence those who ate it, even in large quantities, were hungry again after a little while. There can be no doubt that the poor wasted away when even the rich were constantly hungry....

Considering and understanding these past miseries and those that were still to come, we can see how the prophecy of Jeremiah is fulfilled in the English people: "If I go forth into the fields, behold those slain with the sword, and if I enter into the city behold them that are consumed with famine" (Jeremiah 14.18). Going "forth into the fields" when we call to mind the ruin of our people in Scotland and Gascony, Wales and Ireland ... Entering the city we consider "them that are consumed with famine" when we see the poor and needy, crushed with hunger, lying stiff and dead in the wards and streets....

Four pennies worth of coarse bread was not enough to feed a common man for one day. The usual kinds of meat, suitable for eating, were too scarce; horse meat was precious; plump dogs were stolen. And, according to many reports, men and women in many places secretly ate their own children....
Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Thank you for providing a perfect example of a prophesy that is so vague it could mean virtually anything.

How did you conclude that the prophecy is referring to the great famine of 1315 - 1322 in Europe? Maybe it is referring to any number of famines that afflicted Asia over the past 12 centuries. What makes you think that the black horse must be represented by famine? Why can't the black horse be disease that afflicted Europe or Asia or South America for that matter during the past 12 centuries?

Now IF you could show me a prophecy that WASN'T vague, one that was VERY specific... like: In the Land that will be called England in the year that they will call 1315 there will be GREAT FAMINE due to major crop failures that will last until the year they will call 1322..." then MAYBE I'd sit up and take notice. But YOU picking at random a famine that YOU claim represents the black horse and YOU think validates the old prophecy is virtually meaningless.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
There is a lot of water in solid rock, down deep.
Not liquid sloshing about.
To make concrete, you mix water with cement.
How do you get the water back out?
Your underground reservoir is like that.
No more liquid than a sidewalk.

How that could be part of a flood is a bit hard
to imagine.

If you only look at data that can be made somehow
to seem to fit your "flood" but do not look at or
consider the many ways that a world wide flood
is falsified (disproven), that is not really being very
honest with yourself.

The existence of polar ice far older than any possible
flood date disproves "flood", just for one.

As for why did noah make an ark?

There was no noah,ark, or flood. It is just
a story.

The whole world will never be underwater. But our coastlines would be very different. If all the ice covering Antarctica, Greenland, and in mountain glaciers around the world were to melt, sea level would rise about 70 meters (230 feet). The ocean would cover all the coastal cities.
Will the world ever be all under water? | AMNH


So polar ice caps melting isn't enough but it would surely send low level cities underwater
like HK and Manila
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I know.
Guess why I so easily recognized Tagalog.

They all gather in Central on Sunday.
Tens of thousands of them.
We always had Filipinas working for us, when
I lived in HK.

Some of the workers are treated very badly, it is sad.
I wish they could earn enough at home, so they
do not have to go overseas.
But at that, they earn more than Chinese
migrants in the factories.

Filipina domestic helpers are treated badly everywhere
There was a time when a Filipina domestic helper
was maltreated, tortured, killed by her Egyptian / Syrian couple
in Kuwait, and after that had her frozen in a freezer maybe for about at least a month
It is because of our natural close knit ties that her relatives began searching for her
and of course we have dedicated Overseas Workers Welfare Admi officers
it opened up other stories in Kuwait that the Philippines made a
temporary ban on sending all kinds of workers in Kuwait.


But everything is normal again
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
No. It is a series of claims without backing.
Regarding evidence of a flood that happened 4,000-5,000 years ago would be like
a gun thrown at the general area of the Pacific Ocean - do you follow me?
No.

Clearly, your standards of evidence are very soft.

A man in New York is struck on his head with a rock and killed. A scientist found rocks in Arizona. Let us seek the killer in Arizona. That is about the same level of evidence that finding water bound up in rocks provides for a global flood.[/QUOTE]

We should put this to rest and enjoy a song about rain.


We have a weak El Nino here.
It's not raining on places where it should rain and raining on places where it shouldn't.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The whole world will never be underwater. But our coastlines would be very different. If all the ice covering Antarctica, Greenland, and in mountain glaciers around the world were to melt, sea level would rise about 70 meters (230 feet). The ocean would cover all the coastal cities.
Will the world ever be all under water? | AMNH


So polar ice caps melting isn't enough but it would surely send low level cities underwater
like HK and Manila

Parts of HK. In any case, so what? Zero to do with
the flood fairytale.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Thank you for providing a perfect example of a prophesy that is so vague it could mean virtually anything.

How did you conclude that the prophecy is referring to the great famine of 1315 - 1322 in Europe? Maybe it is referring to any number of famines that afflicted Asia over the past 12 centuries. What makes you think that the black horse must be represented by famine? Why can't the black horse be disease that afflicted Europe or Asia or South America for that matter during the past 12 centuries?

Now IF you could show me a prophecy that WASN'T vague, one that was VERY specific... like: In the Land that will be called England in the year that they will call 1315 there will be GREAT FAMINE due to major crop failures that will last until the year they will call 1322..." then MAYBE I'd sit up and take notice. But YOU picking at random a famine that YOU claim represents the black horse and YOU think validates the old prophecy is virtually meaningless.

We have to be reminded that the Bible is a religious book.
If it tells of a prophecy, it would be in the general vicinity of where the books are.

It could mean anything like this things happening anywhere.

List of famines - Wikipedia

However are "Christians" there to witness this famine?
Is the book even near that place?
Does it conform to the sequences of the seal?
Because there are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 seals involved
and this is just the 3rd
Was the sequence followed or out of sequence?

These are things to be considered when examining history and comparing the same with bible prophecies.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Parts of HK. In any case, so what? Zero to do with
the flood fairytale.

If that is a fairy tale
Then you have nothing to worry about
Because its nothing

However, if what I know is true
Then Jesus said was definitely true

Luke 17:26-27 New International Version (NIV)
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

I'll keep believing, just to be sure.
Good day and this my music for the day....


 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
If that is a fairy tale
Then you have nothing to worry about
Because its nothing

However, if what I know is true
Then Jesus said was definitely true

Luke 17:26-27 New International Version (NIV)
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

I'll keep believing, just to be sure.
Good day and this my music for the day....


That Jesus is aware of his cultural mythology is not a surprise.

Still there is no evidence for a global flood? Just belief and the fact that the Genesis story is plagiarized from a pre-existing, non-Christian story to boot.

What does it really matter if the story is not real? The allegory still has meaning and wisdom can be learned from it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If that is a fairy tale
Then you have nothing to worry about
Because its nothing

However, if what I know is true
Then Jesus said was definitely true

Luke 17:26-27 New International Version (NIV)
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

I'll keep believing, just to be sure.
Good day and this my music for the day....


That is a very bad argument to use. According to your argument Jesus was just a man. There is another approach that you can take.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
That Jesus is aware of his cultural mythology is not a surprise.

Still there is no evidence for a global flood? Just belief and the fact that the Genesis story is plagiarized from a pre-existing, non-Christian story to boot.

What does it really matter if the story is not real? The allegory still has meaning and wisdom can be learned from it.

Assuming I go with your line of thinking
That this flood story is a myth
That some old guy named Noah who is a centenarian
built a very big ark with animals in it
is just a story
a myth
a legend
a work of fiction

Then why this flood story exist in other countries?
Did they copy each other's work?
Did they have a NOAH conference a long long time ago?
Strange isn't it?
They have their own versions of the flood.

Flood myths
[List of flood myths - Wikipedia]
 
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