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Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Couldn't prove that by anything you presented.
Several people have refuted the claims on that one already. Myself included.
Why are you trying to pass it off as fresh material?

You're not going to believe anything I present so go do your own homework.
I will believe anything, provided there is good, convincing evidence backing it up.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Matthew 7:6 contains the principle about why I'm not going to bother anymore with your troubled views.
I don't have troubled views. You are projecting again. But don't worry, I will continue to correct you regardless.

if you followed my suggestions you would be a better debater and might not lose all of the time.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Except for anyone from the Bronze Age that spoke about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Those were the stupid ones? You wreck your own arguments.
There have always been the religiously delusional. Today we can apply the scientific method to claims. Guess what happens to the claims of literalists when we do so.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
You've already tried this one (Documenting a Miracle) on me before. It fails miserably.

I don't recall any refutation of the event from you or anyone on this. Can you link me to the response that you claim made it fail "miserably"?

I'll take another look at it. In the meantime I'll try to look back over the previous posts.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Mellis - didn't you identify yourself as a Catholic? Do you know what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about homosexual relations?

"2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved." Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

Now let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

There's no gay marriages in the Old Testament; No gay marriages in the New Testament; no gay sex approved anywhere in the Bible. Just the opposite - gay sex is condemned in both testaments. God is consistent on that.

Please dont address me by my surname - I'm not sure if you meant it but it came across as disrespectful.

I'm not a catholic. I am an atheist. Anti-theist, really. About as far from catholicism as its possible to get.

I agree with all that you've said about the bible, which is why I think its a vile peice of garbage and referring to it in any terms which imply it's the treatise on morality or truth is offensive to me.

I don't believe god is consistent on anything - as I don't believe gods, fairies, pixies, etc exist. I think the men who wrote the bible were consistent in their intolerance of anything other than straight christians, and in their dismissive attitudes towards women.

I think we're at an impasse. You claim that god exists and hates gays, I think that there's no evidence of god and that people justify their bigotry with truth claims. Unless you can give evidence of god, and why I should worship it if one exists (pretty sure I wouldnt considering the awful things it would have had to create and demand), I think we're done.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
No, I disagree strongly with LIBERALS trying to trash or rewrite the Gospels.

Capitals are the most convincing form of argument. CHRISTIANITY is 100% EVIL and the RIGHT WING FACIST BIGOTS are trying to recreate the HOLOCAUST... see, you believe me despite everything I said in that statement being a lie.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I don't recall any refutation of the event from you or anyone on this. Can you link me to the response that you claim made it fail "miserably"?

I'll take another look at it. In the meantime I'll try to look back over the previous posts.
Well, it happened. I've already addressed that aspect of your argument in the past. As have others.

Sorry, but I don't have time to search through hundreds of old posts when I'm not even sure if it's on this thread or some other one where you've attached that link before. All I know is that you've posted it before, and that I've addressed it before.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Please dont address me by my surname - I'm not sure if you meant it but it came across as disrespectful.

I'm not a catholic. I am an atheist. Anti-theist, really. About as far from catholicism as its possible to get.

I agree with all that you've said about the bible, which is why I think its a vile peice of garbage and referring to it in any terms which imply it's the treatise on morality or truth is offensive to me.

I don't believe god is consistent on anything - as I don't believe gods, fairies, pixies, etc exist. I think the men who wrote the bible were consistent in their intolerance of anything other than straight christians, and in their dismissive attitudes towards women.

I think we're at an impasse. You claim that god exists and hates gays, I think that there's no evidence of god and that people justify their bigotry with truth claims. Unless you can give evidence of god, and why I should worship it if one exists (pretty sure I wouldnt considering the awful things it would have had to create and demand), I think we're done.

Wow. What a load. I got a kick out of that part where you said that people "justify their bigotry with truth claims." Isn't that what atheists haters of Christianity do? They have their own set of "truth" claims - i.e. there is no god, God's a gay hater, and all that horse manure. The fact is, atheists don't have any objective moral values apart from any they might get from the God of creation.

And I never said that God hates gays, and you can't find a post of mine that says that. He considers gay sex a sin. He also considers fornication and adultery sins. And he sent his Son to pay for those sins for those who repent and receive him.

So yeah, we're done.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Well, it happened. I've already addressed that aspect of your argument in the past. As have others.

Sorry, but I don't have time to search through hundreds of old posts when I'm not even sure if it's on this thread or some other one where you've attached that link before. All I know is that you've posted it before, and that I've addressed it before.

I don't believe you or anyone has refuted it. Nor could you.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Wow. What a load. I got a kick out of that part where you said that people "justify their bigotry with truth claims." Isn't that what atheists haters of Christianity do? They have their own set of "truth" claims - i.e. there is no god, God's a gay hater, and all that horse manure. The fact is, atheists don't have any objective moral values apart from any they might get from the God of creation.

And I never said that God hates gays, and you can't find a post of mine that says that. He considers gay sex a sin. He also considers fornication and adultery sins. And he sent his Son to pay for those sins for those who repent and receive him.

So yeah, we're done.

I don't hate christians; I hate all religion. I have more grounds to do so than you do for being homophobic (dont give me that bull about hating the sin not the sinner; its the same thing especially when the 'sin' is an integral part of that person).

No. My morals absolutely do not derive from christianity or from any such god. I accept that I have been raised i a western culture which is based on christian values to a point, but I reject the claim that morality comes from a god.

Atheists (broad brushing here, of course there are bad atheists) have a better moral foundation than the supposed christian god. That is a simple fact.

We don't believe anyone is born evil

We wouldn't ask anyone to refrain from being gay in a practical sense, nor do we have any "divine" instruction to destroy or convert anyone who doesnt think the same way that we do. In fact, one of the tenants of secular morality is that everyone should be allowed to believe what they like as long as it isn't harmful to others. Unfortunately, monotheism does not usually meet that standard.

Theists get their morals (the balanced and rational ones) from human evolution. What is good for the group is good for me. The backwards and harmful morals, they come from man-made constructs - E.g. "doing gay things is a sin" ...wonder where that could have originated...

Also, gnostic atheism is evey bit as ridiculous as theism. Agnostic atheism is the only logical position as far as I can make out - which is to say not every atheist makes truth claims because there is no reliable path to absolute truth. Agnostic atheism takes the position that although we can't know 100% that gods don't exist, we're about as convinced of the existence of gods as we are of the tooth fairy. We could be proved very wrong... but it's not very likely.

Religion rests on the idea of a soul, which is usually defined as whatever makes is conscious. However, we know that damaging the brain can fundamentally change our consciousness in terms of functionality and personality. This is strongly indicative of the "soul" being a chemic reaction in the brain and when that brain dies, conciousness is simply snuffed out. It's like saying a flame goes on somewhere else when it's extinguished. We cant prove that it doesn't, but there is literally no reason to believe it does and to do so rewuires the dismissal of evidence to the contrary.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Still waiting for you to show me where you refuted that? I searched for it but didn't see it. So where's the beef??

Hello! God made man in HIS image so he made gays also.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.".

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way ...
biblehub.com/matthew/19-12.htm
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Atheists (broad brushing here, of course there are bad atheists) have a better moral foundation than the supposed christian god. That is a simple fact.

That's not something I could concur with.

Theists get their morals (the balanced and rational ones) from human evolution. What is good for the group is good for me. The backwards and harmful morals, they come from man-made constructs - E.g. "doing gay things is a sin" ...wonder where that could have originated...

Christians get their morals from God / Jesus. I will also say that atheists can be good moral individuals but for two things: 1. There is no objective basis for their morality; 2. No one is moral in the eyes of God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3).
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That's not something I could concur with.

Christians get their morals from God / Jesus. I will also say that atheists can be good moral individuals but for two things: 1. There is no objective basis for their morality; 2. No one is moral in the eyes of God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3).

Selling out to Trump is not something to be proud of. It just makes evangelicals look demented.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's not something I could concur with.

Yes, we can see that. Perhaps you should work on your own morals a bit.

Christians get their morals from God / Jesus. I will also say that atheists can be good moral individuals but for two things: 1. There is no objective basis for their morality; 2. No one is moral in the eyes of God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3).

There is no objective basis for your morality either. But given a reasonable premise secular morality be quite objective. It is why secular morality tends to be superior.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Selling out to Trump is not something to be proud of. It just makes evangelicals look demented.

Nuts. Voting for that corrupt, incompetent, and lying gas bag Hillary Clinton would have been the real disaster. Voting for that woman makes liberals look demented.
 
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