No debate anymore?

[Jadamas]

According to Sean Carroll, there’s no afterlife:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/la...what-happens-proof-consciousness-Sean-Carroll

In parallel, Dawkins explaining that nothing is something:

I got lost.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

In parallel, Dawkins explaining that nothing is something:

I got lost.

The person who edited that video was clearly doing a lot of manipulating. Here is the full debate:

 

[jonathan180iq]

According to Sean Carroll, there’s no afterlife:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/la...what-happens-proof-consciousness-Sean-Carroll

In parallel, Dawkins explaining that nothing is something:

I got lost.

I don't believe that anyone has ever presented evidence for Nothing as having ever been a state of reality. There has always been Something.

 

[Audie]

I don't believe that anyone has ever presented evidence for Nothing as having ever been a state of reality. There has always been Something.

Strikes me as kind of a dumb debate, something v nothing.

Somehow about as productive as two cats debating
the origin of catfood. They will not ever work it out.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Strikes me as kind of a dumb debate, something v nothing.

Somehow about as productive as two cats debating
the origin of catfood. They will not ever work it out.

It's mostly meaningless, yes. But it does help to differentiate starting points, particularly with Creationist Christians. It's a conversation that attempts to correct their philosophical basis in arguing to something more palatable and productive.

Once you can get them to move off of the concept that there's only two possible outcomes in any given scenario, you can begin expand on that and have meaningful conversations.

I see it as teaching reason.

 

[Stanyon]

I have never seen a purpose in debating something that none of the living will ever know for sure.

 

[Audie]

It's mostly meaningless, yes. But it does help to differentiate starting points, particularly with Creationist Christians. It's a conversation that attempts to correct their philosophical basis in arguing to something more palatable and productive.

Once you can get them to move off of the concept that there's only two possible outcomes in any given scenario, you can begin expand on that and have meaningful conversations.

I see it as teaching reason.

You've succeeded in doing that?
Pretty tough, binary thinking is so deeply
characteristic of fundamentalists.

 

[jonathan180iq]

You've succeeded in doing that?

I have no idea. But I like to think that at some point, when confronted with challenges so many times, that someone, out there somewhere, has at least toyed with the thought of expanding their thinking - even if it's just a little bit.

Pretty tough, binary thinking is so deeply
characteristic of fundamentalists.

That's why I keep doing it, over and over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[George-ananda]

According to Sean Carroll, there’s no afterlife:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/la...what-happens-proof-consciousness-Sean-Carroll

Well, Carrol's conclusion is obvious to me too if you start from the assumption that consciousness is a creation of the physical brain. So that assumption is what is really still up for debate.

From the paranormal evidence and spiritual teachings I respect, I believe that consciousness is fundamental and non-physical and something material science can not yet study through the physical senses and instruments.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When was there any debate as to the honesty of
creationists?

Probably got lessons from Ray Comfort. *Grin*

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, Carrol's conclusion is obvious to me too if you start from the assumption that consciousness is a creation of the physical brain. So that assumption is what is really still up for debate.

From the paranormal evidence and spiritual teachings I respect, I believe that consciousness is fundamental and non-physical and something material science can not yet study through the physical senses and instruments.

If that's the case, there still has to be a physical connection somewhere, that's unavoidable.

 

[George-ananda]

If that's the case, there still has to be a physical connection somewhere, that's unavoidable.

I agree with that. I think the connection happens in dimensions (4th, 5th, ??) not directly detectable by the physical senses and instruments at this time. Possibly from a physical only perspective this will just look like spooky quantum behavior. Already there is talk of quantum behavior in the microtubules of neurons but I will leave the details to the experts.

 

[dfnj]

I agree with that. I think the connection happens in dimensions (4th, 5th, ??) not directly detectable by the physical senses and instruments at this time. Possibly from a physical only perspective this will just look like spooky quantum behavior. Already there is talk of quantum behavior in the microtubules of neurons but I will leave the details to the experts.

Stars are the neurons of God's brain.

 

[George-ananda]

Stars are the neurons of God's brain.

Not sure I understand that but it sounds poetic.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I agree with that. I think the connection happens in dimensions (4th, 5th, ??) not directly detectable by the physical senses and instruments at this time. Possibly from a physical only perspective this will just look like spooky quantum behavior. Already there is talk of quantum behavior in the microtubules of neurons but I will leave the details to the experts.

I figure consciousness has to do something with electrons and atoms themselves involving energy. Atoms are generally considered not to be conscious so I can only guess that it must occur by the way molecules arrange themselves or become arranged to put it more accurately.

Never hurts to speculate though.

Dimensions are an interesting topic. Most of us understand 1st 2nd and 3rd but I'm still having a bit of a problem trying to wrap my head around the 4th much less higher dimensions as they're being presented in various ways.

 

[dfnj]

Not sure I understand that but it sounds poetic.

Yeah. Sometimes I just make stuff up hoping the mud sticks.

 

[WalterTrull]

the origin of catfood.

I've been told where cat food comes from. I've been reading maps and I think I've located where the factory would have to be. As soon as I get the price of a ticket, I'm headed out.

 

[dfnj]

I don't believe that anyone has ever presented evidence for Nothing as having ever been a state of reality. There has always been Something.

There is no proof nothingness ever existed, therefore, somethingness has always existed.

Our Big Bang could be the result of a star collapsing to a black hole in a previously existing space-time dimension. Given the number of stars capable of collapsing to black holes in our Universe, each of which is creating their own Big Bang Universe, this is a very BIG thought.

"In theory, a black hole singularity would compress down until the smallest possible size predicted by physics. Then it would rebound as a white hole.

Another interesting idea put forth by physicists, is that a white hole might explain the Big Bang, since this is another situation where a tremendous amount of matter and energy spontaneously appeared."

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-white-holes.html

 

[George-ananda]

Dimensions are an interesting topic. Most of us understand 1st 2nd and 3rd but I'm still having a bit of a problem trying to wrap my head around the 4th much less higher dimensions as they're being presented in various ways.

Check out string theory created by some of the great minds of physics. I talks of something like 22 or so dimensions, but don't ask me to explain it.

My position stats at a more relatable level. Paranormal phenomena that doesn't make sense in our 'simpler' view of reality.

 

[Audie]

Check out string theory created by some of the great minds of physics. I talks of something like 22 or so dimensions, but don't ask me to explain it.

My position stats at a more relatable level. Paranormal phenomena that doesn't make sense in our 'simpler' view of reality.

You will really enjoy this video.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Check out string theory created by some of the great minds of physics. I talks of something like 22 or so dimensions, but don't ask me to explain it.

My position stats at a more relatable level. Paranormal phenomena that doesn't make sense in our 'simpler' view of reality.

Remember Carl Sagan's Flatland?