No Evidence for Speciation?

[CynthiaCypher]

Many creation beleive not there is no evidence for the speciation of animals, that someone one species of animal cannot in anyway become another species.

But I would like to explain to me how the the mighty fearsome wolf is the same species as the lowly and annoying chihuahua?

There is no way that those two animals are the same specie, just look at them. They are obviously so different that we have to construe them as totally different species and that the chihuahua is evidence that speciation is true.

 

[Revoltingest]

Size diff is big, but they obviously share a "cute" gene.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Size diff is big, but they obviously share a "cute" gene.

Dude, the wolf is a mighty apex predator, king of his domain and majestic in his beauty. The chihuahua is a mutant, annoying, homely parasite akin to vermin. It even looks like a rat.

 

[Jainarayan]

Many creation beleive not there is no evidence for the speciation of animals, that someone one species of animal cannot in anyway become another species.

But I would like to explain to me how the the mighty fearsome wolf is the same species as the lowly and annoying chihuahua?

There is no way that those two animals are the same specie, just look at them. They are obviously so different that we have to construe them as totally different species and that the chihuahua is evidence that speciation is true.

DNA has shown them to be the same species, with dogs being perhaps a subspecies of the wolf, Canis lupus lupus, but more likely only a phenotype variety. They are both genetically Canis lupus. The dog may be Canis lupus familiaris.

Wolves and dogs are more closely related to each other than lions are to tigers (Panthera leo and Panthera tigris, respectively), and certainly more closely related than the big cats (Panthera xxx) and the housecat (Felis cattus).

 

[Man of Faith]

Speciation is allowed in the creation model.

 

[McBell]

Many creation beleive not there is no evidence for the speciation of animals, that someone one species of animal cannot in anyway become another species.

But I would like to explain to me how the the mighty fearsome wolf is the same species as the lowly and annoying chihuahua?

There is no way that those two animals are the same specie, just look at them. They are obviously so different that we have to construe them as totally different species and that the chihuahua is evidence that speciation is true.

But they are both a dog "kind".

 

[shawn001]

Speciation is allowed in the creation model.

who "allows it" and what model?

the christian science monitor

Darwin was right - again

Darwin was right - again / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

Scientific American

Are Dog Breeds Actually Different Species?

A humorous take on using dog breeds to prove evolution

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=an-immodest-proposal&page=2


Scientific American
Why are different breeds of dogs all considered the same species?


"Domestic animals fascinated Darwin and continue to enthrall those of us who own pets. It is certainly curious how domestic dogs, which we know--because DNA bar coding has told us!--were raised by man from a wild gray wolf (Canis lupus) ancestor, can take on such a dramatic variety of forms. But among dogs, which are well known for their hybrid (or mongrel) varieties, different breeds can mate and have viable offspring, so they are all found under the umbrella of a single species, Canis familiaris.

Dogs are highly unusual in their variation, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane. (Recently, body size was found to be largely explained by differences in a single gene among dog breeds.) Darwin realized that man can force selection by picking particular individuals for breeding who show a particular characteristic that we want to see in our pets. So humans can accelerate the process of selection dramatically by exploiting the diversity naturally found in domestic forms and homing in on a form that is desirable. Natural selection usually acts more slowly, relying on what Darwin described as "descent with modification"--the chance arrival of new forms through DNA mutation."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=different-dog-breeds-same-species

 

[Man of Faith]

who "allows it" and what model?

the christian science monitor

Darwin was right - again

Darwin was right - again / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

Scientific American

Are Dog Breeds Actually Different Species?

A humorous take on using dog breeds to prove evolution

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=an-immodest-proposal&page=2


Scientific American
Why are different breeds of dogs all considered the same species?


"Domestic animals fascinated Darwin and continue to enthrall those of us who own pets. It is certainly curious how domestic dogs, which we know--because DNA bar coding has told us!--were raised by man from a wild gray wolf (Canis lupus) ancestor, can take on such a dramatic variety of forms. But among dogs, which are well known for their hybrid (or mongrel) varieties, different breeds can mate and have viable offspring, so they are all found under the umbrella of a single species, Canis familiaris.

Dogs are highly unusual in their variation, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane. (Recently, body size was found to be largely explained by differences in a single gene among dog breeds.) Darwin realized that man can force selection by picking particular individuals for breeding who show a particular characteristic that we want to see in our pets. So humans can accelerate the process of selection dramatically by exploiting the diversity naturally found in domestic forms and homing in on a form that is desirable. Natural selection usually acts more slowly, relying on what Darwin described as "descent with modification"--the chance arrival of new forms through DNA mutation."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=different-dog-breeds-same-species

I already know that Christians are considered reasonable and intelligent when they accept evolution, but the next day if they denied evolution then they would automatically be unreasonable and uneducated. It all depends on what they will accept and believe. In the light of that a lot of Christians try to reconcile science and religion, but it's a failure. The Bible supports creation period.

 

[McBell]

The Bible supports creation period.

What does the Bible have to do with speciation?

 

[shawn001]

The bible say the earth was made on day one before our sun on day four and we know that didn't happen for a fact.

So its not about any evidence or facts for you its about your opinion and your bible.

Thank god your not in charge of modern medicine. Its based on biological evolution.

Why does the Vatican and the church of England support biological evolution, they must know somethings you don't, like DNA and genetics has already proven evolution.

Its not science stopping you from understanding evolution, all the facts are there to make it a fact and a scientific theory.

Its yourself and your opinion. Nor does evolution rule out any "entity" its not even about one. If there is one, that is how it all works in Nature.

 

[Valjean]

"...the lowly and annoying chihuahua" :biglaugh:-- love it!

Any competent animal breeder can easily change the size and shape of a lineage in surprisingly few generations, Cynthia. You can't reliably judge an organism's ancestry by appearance.

Do you know that wolves and chihuahuas can have healthy puppies? (though with a wolf as the father you'd probably need a larger surrogate mother)

 

[gnostic]

The Bible supports creation period.

Of course, Bible teaches creation. Like any other ancient religions, creationism is nothing more than myths, where people don't really understand how nature work, so they think some gods or spirits are involved in the natural phenomena.

The Bible is not a science book. And if you think it is, then it seriously fail in the "science" department.

The Bible doesn't teach biology. It can't even give good description of the human anatomy, so why should it provide any description about speciation? Nor does the Bible doesn't teach zoology or botany.

Evolution is a biological science, whether you accept it as a science or not, matter very little to science. There are other science that the Bible or creationism don't even teach, like geology, physics, chemistry, mathematics, astronomy, computer science, engineering, etc. So since not of these exist in the Bible than should all these not exist?

Science is not the subject of your approval or that of any creationists. You can wallow in your own ignorance, and it won't matter to the science communities.

 

[idav]

Do you know that wolves and chihuahuas can have healthy puppies? (though with a wolf as the father you'd probably need a larger surrogate mother)

LOL, what a sight it would be for a male chihuaha to try and get with a female wolf.

 

[Valjean]

Not as bad as the converse, I'd wager.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

LOL, what a sight it would be for a male chihuaha to try and get with a female wolf.

I know a male Corgi who has the hots for a female German Shepherd in my neighborhood. And everyone thinks the feeling is mutual.

 

[thoughtprovoking]

Species are define and limited through who they can procreate with. If they can reproduce, than yes they still are the same "species." It would just be the weirdest looking dog I could think of. They are specialized to a specific job, the chihuahua's job is to be annoying and it was accomplished. The bible, though, never leaves room for species specialization. It notes that every breed was created in the beginning, which everyone knows is a farce. Darwin was right about his survival of the fittest and these canines show it.

 

[Man of Faith]

Species are define and limited through who they can procreate with. If they can reproduce, than yes they still are the same "species." It would just be the weirdest looking dog I could think of. They are specialized to a specific job, the chihuahua's job is to be annoying and it was accomplished. The bible, though, never leaves room for species specialization. It notes that every breed was created in the beginning, which everyone knows is a farce. Darwin was right about his survival of the fittest and these canines show it.

Actually the Bible says that "kinds" were created, not "breeds". Nice try though. :sorry1:

 

[McBell]

Actually the Bible says that "kinds" were created, not "breeds". Nice try though. :sorry1:

You should re-read what you quoted and try for reading comprehension this time.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dude, the wolf is a mighty apex predator, king of his domain and majestic in his beauty. The chihuahua is a mutant.....

Chihuahua: Not mutant....."'cute'ant"
Wolf: Now, tell me this guy isn't cute....

 

[Revoltingest]

The Bible supports creation period.

I asked a fundie friend if there's anything in the Bible which would preclude God's using
evolution as one of his tools. Reluctantly, he admitted finding nothing conclusive.