No interest in converting but reading the Qran

[Me Myself]

I downloaded a translation of the qran for my Ipad and been reading some.

I will ask questions here for stuff I am not very clear on.

In general it reads kind of awkward, I assume it may have a lot to do with the translation, in any case, 179 of al baqarah talks about "blood money"

Can you tell me a bit of what does it mean and which are the applications of these today? Were you live? Your views on it?

Thanks in advance

 

[Gharib]

Blood money refers to the money that the killer has to pay the family of his victim if the family decides that they don't want the killer to be killed.

The amount that has to be paid is the value of 100 camels.

But if the family do not forgive the killer then he is to be killed for his crime.

 

[FearGod]

I downloaded a translation of the qran for my Ipad and been reading some.

I will ask questions here for stuff I am not very clear on.

In general it reads kind of awkward, I assume it may have a lot to do with the translation, in any case, 179 of al baqarah talks about "blood money"

Can you tell me a bit of what does it mean and which are the applications of these today? Were you live? Your views on it?

Thanks in advance

O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom. (2:178)

The verse states that the killer only should be punished and not the whole family or the tribe as it was the case in the Jahiliyya where retaliation will cause a war between tribes because of one killer,so the law should be applied only on the one who did the crime,if the one did it was a slave,then the slave should be punished,if a woman did it,then the woman should be punished and if a master did it,then the master should be punished.

God also opens the door for forgiveness if the family of the victim chose to forgive the aggressor and that happening usually when killing wasn't intentional such as in car accidents but if the same person who was forgiven killed another person then there should be no more mercy on him and should be punished accordingly.

 

[Matemkar]

MashaAllah.. Please keep studying. May Allah bless you
Regarding your question here's a good article: An Enlightening Commentary into the Light of The Holy Qur'an
and about the general idea you mentioned (the modern interpretations and applications of islamic laws), there are lots of great works on it too. Thanks. ma salam

 

[Me Myself]

Interesting. Thanks for the answers.

 

[FearGod]

Interesting. Thanks for the answers.

you are welcome.

 

[Rational_Mind]

I downloaded a translation of the qran for my Ipad and been reading some.

I will ask questions here for stuff I am not very clear on.

In general it reads kind of awkward, I assume it may have a lot to do with the translation, in any case, 179 of al baqarah talks about "blood money"

Can you tell me a bit of what does it mean and which are the applications of these today? Were you live? Your views on it?

Thanks in advance

[2:179] O ye who believe! equitable retaliation in the matter of the slain is prescribed for you: the free man for the free man, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if one is granted any remission by one’s brother, then pursuing the matter for the realization of the blood money shall be done with fairness and the murderer shall pay him the blood money in a handsome manner. This is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy. And whoso transgresses thereafter, for him there shall be a grievous punishment.

The verse has "prescribed" punishment that is equal to the crime. It has stated this towards the believers that when making a judgement follow this principle. The only exception granted to forgiveness is given by the heir, "one's brother". So the state has no right to pardon a person for a murder, this right is exclusive to the heir. The heir may also choose to forgive the blood money but has the right to it.

If you have more questions about the verse, there is a very conclusive commentary on why such a punishment is prescribed and why it is, in our opinion, most fair is provided here.

 

[Me Myself]

What is al e imran 113 talking about? Whoshould be smitten? What is the context? How do you interpret this and what is your opinion about this?

 

[Matemkar]

Tafsir Al-Mizan - An Exegesis of the Holy Quran by the Late Allamah Muhammad Hussain Tabatabai Please select the chapter 3 and verse 112 and get the tafsir/interprettion. Your answer is there Thanks

 

[Me Myself]

Let me see if I understand correctly, you are telling me the verse says they should be humilliated or let themselves humilliate themselves ?

Is that what the verse says? Sorry its just kinda hard for me that weird english

 

[Cordoba]

This is a good translation (Saheeh International):

Surat 'Ali `Imran [3:113] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

 

[FearGod]

What is al e imran 113 talking about? Whoshould be smitten? What is the context? How do you interpret this and what is your opinion about this?

They are not all alike. Of the People of the Scripture there is a staunch community who recite the revelations of Allah in the night season, falling prostrate (before Him). (3:113)

They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency, and vie one with another in good works. These are of the righteous. (3:114)

And whatever good they do, they will not be denied the meed thereof. Allah is Aware of those who ward off (evil). (3:115)

The verses are clear which states that who believes among the other doctrines about god's existance and the last day and doing good deeds and preventing bad ones and that god is in knowledge of
them and they will be rewarded for being among the righteous.

in other words not all non muslims will be treated equally as there are some righteous and will be rewarded for being so.

 

[Me Myself]

They are not all alike. Of the People of the Scripture there is a staunch community who recite the revelations of Allah in the night season, falling prostrate (before Him). (3:113)

They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency, and vie one with another in good works. These are of the righteous. (3:114)

And whatever good they do, they will not be denied the meed thereof. Allah is Aware of those who ward off (evil). (3:115)

The verses are clear which states that who believes among the other doctrines about god's existance and the last day and doing good deeds and preventing bad ones and that god is in knowledge of
them and they will be rewarded for being among the righteous.

in other words not all non muslims will be treated equally as there are some righteous and will be rewarded for being so.

Thanks for giving me a direct answer and your interpretation

 

[Gharib]

They are not all alike. Of the People of the Scripture there is a staunch community who recite the revelations of Allah in the night season, falling prostrate (before Him). (3:113)

They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency, and vie one with another in good works. These are of the righteous. (3:114)

And whatever good they do, they will not be denied the meed thereof. Allah is Aware of those who ward off (evil). (3:115)

Can you please highlight where the above verses say that people of other doctrines who believe in "god's existance and the last day and doing good deeds and preventing bad ones and that god is in knowledge of them and they will be rewarded for being among the righteous"

The verses are clear which states that who believes among the other doctrines about god's existance and the last day and doing good deeds and preventing bad ones and that god is in knowledge of
them and they will be rewarded for being among the righteous.

Are you referring to the people who followed the teachings of Moses for example before Jesus became a Prophet? Or do you mean today's Jews who still follow the teachings of Moses even though Muhammed came after him?

in other words not all non muslims will be treated equally as there are some righteous and will be rewarded for being so.

Can you expand on this and give some examples of what you mean?

 

[FearGod]

Can you please highlight where the above verses say that people of other doctrines who believe in "god's existance and the last day and doing good deeds and preventing bad ones and that god is in knowledge of them and they will be rewarded for being among the righteous"

Verse (3:110) explains the next verses

Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers. (3:110)

So just few of them are believers and it is best for them to follow Islam,so they are still called believers but their reward won't be as equal to the one who accepted the the message of Allah through his messenger Mohammed PBUH and which is the best community.

And for all there will be ranks from what they do, that He may pay them for their deeds; and they will not be wronged. (46:19)

So today no soul shall be wronged anything, and you shall not be recompensed, except according to what you have been doing. (36:54)

Are you referring to the people who followed the teachings of Moses for example before Jesus became a Prophet? Or do you mean today's Jews who still follow the teachings of Moses even though Muhammed came after him?

For the ones who believes on the oneness of god and the judgement day and do good deeds and forbid evil ones,but they aren't the best but not the worst compared to atheists or the ones who regards Jesus PBUH as God ..etc.

Can you expand on this and give some examples of what you mean?

i think the above explained my point which make sense to me.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Let me see if I understand correctly, you are telling me the verse says they should be humilliated or let themselves humilliate themselves ?

Is that what the verse says? Sorry its just kinda hard for me that weird english

I could not find anything related to smitten/humiliated for verse 3:113 - not sure which verse you are talking about.

Also, which translation are you reading ? This is a great site with multiple translations ... Sahih International is one of the simplest translation. Surat 'Ali `Imran - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ?????? (check Sahih International under 'English' on the left - also you can uncheck 'images' under Arabic to remove the arabic script from the page)

 

[GURSIKH]

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The amount that has to be paid is the value of 100 camels.

Aslaam Gharib

is this amount half ,if murder victim is a female ?


very recently i heard a saudi preacher was set free by Islamic court for the murder of his 5 yr old daughter , as he paid blood money to her mother ie his wife .it was written if he would have killed his Son ,he had to pay double blood money .

 

[Gharib]

Aslaam Gharib

is this amount half ,if murder victim is a female ?


very recently i heard a saudi preacher was set free for the murder of his 5 yr old daughter , as he paid blood money to her mother ie his wife .it was written if he would have killed his Son ,he had to pay double blood money .

Islam values all life the same. The life of a man is not considered double that of women.

The amount is the same regardless of whether the victim was a man, a woman, a slave, a non-Muslim etc.

 

[FearGod]

Aslaam Gharib

is this amount half ,if murder victim is a female ?


very recently i heard a saudi preacher was set free by Islamic court for the murder of his 5 yr old daughter , as he paid blood money to her mother ie his wife .it was written if he would have killed his Son ,he had to pay double blood money .

Would you please quote your reference which says that the blood money is double for the son.

 

[GURSIKH]

Would you please quote your reference which says that the blood money is double for the son.

A ‘celebrity’ Saudi preacher accused of raping, torturing and killing his five-year-old daughter has reportedly been released from custody after agreeing to pay ‘blood money’

Fayhan al-Ghamdi had been accused of killing his daughter Lama, who suffered multiple injuries including a crushed skull, broken back, broken ribs, a broken left arm and extensive bruising and burns

Fayhan al-Ghamdi admitted using a cane and cables to inflict the injuries after doubting his five-year-old daughter’s virginity and taking her to a doctor,

Albawaba News reported the judge as saying: "Blood money and the time the defendant had served in prison since Lama's death suffices as punishment."
Fayhan al-Ghamdi, who regularly appears on television in Saudi Arabia, is said to have agreed to pay £31,000 to Lama’s mother.
The money is considered compensation under Islamic law, although it is only half the amount that would have been paid had Lama been a boy.
Despite Saudi Arabia’s famously strict legal system, Women to Drive say fathers cannot be executed for murdering their children in the country. Equally, husbands cannot be executed for murdering their wives.




Saudi preacher who 'raped and tortured' his five -year-old daughter to death is released after paying 'blood money' - Middle East - World - The Independent