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No one religion can be correct

ImAj

New Member
I started thinking awhile back about how all the major world religions profess to bestow some type of benefit to its faithful. For instance, many Christians believe that only Christians will go to heaven, many Muslims believe that only Muslims will go to heaven, etc.

And then I started thinking about how a person's circumstances play a large part in their faith. If you're born into a Hindu familyin India, for instance, you have a much higher chance of being a Hindu than someone who is, say, born into a Christian family in the Bible belt. In fact, most people, some might say the vast majority of people, practice the same faith as their parents. Some do it half-assed, others are devout practictioners. Regardless, if you are born into a family of a particular faith, that greatly increases your chances of being a member of that faith.

So let's suppose, hypothetically, that Christianity is the one, true faith and that if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you will go to hell.

And let's suppose that you are born into a Hindu family in India, and I am born into a Christian family in the Bible Belt. Haha, you got effed in the A! Even though I'm not a better person than you by any means, I got lucky because I was born into a Christian family. Even though you have the 'opportunity' to convert, we all know you probably won't. Even though we would both probably have just practiced whatever faith we were born into, you got the shaft and will spend eternity in hell.

Sucks to be you.

My point is that given their vastly different circumstances, it would just be wrong for everyone to be judged by the same standard, such as whether or not they accept a particular faith. Asking someone born into a Muslim family to accept Christianity is a completely different situation than asking someone born into a Christian family to accept Christianity, and vice versa.

It would be analagous to giving the SAT to a college-educated economist and a four year old. Sure, it's the same test and the four year old has the 'opportunity' to do well, but their circumstances are too different for it to be a fair standard.

The funny thing is, a common thought process among people of all faiths is "Wow! I'm so lucky to have been born into a family that practices the one, true faith.

Thanks, God!" Everyone thinks they just got lucky. But it would be unfair and wrong for anyone to go to heaven or hell just because they got lucky or unlucky.

One of the common first responses I get from people who hear this is that maybe God's concept of right and wrong is simply different from ours. However, this is a ridiculous idea. If God created human beings with a moral sense, expected us to go against our moral sense, and punished people that followed it, then God would be evil by our own definition.

A common response from Christians is that since all human beings are 'fallen' because of original sin, then no one deserves to go heaven, and it is only by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and God's mercy that anyone goes to heaven at all.

That's fine, but if everyone deserves to go to hell, then it is still wrong for some undeserving people to go to heaven just because they got lucky and were born into the right circumstances. They are not better people, and are not more deserving of heaven than anyone else, so why should they be rewarded?

Of course, the whole circumstantial aspect of faith argument can be used for Islam as well. If one must accept Islam to go to heaven, then people born into Muslim families have a ridiculously large advantage over other people, and that would be unfair.

Some common Muslim responses include that it is not just Muslims that go to heaven, it is all of the good, believing 'People of the Book' which includes Christians and Jews as well. However, people born into, say, Hindu families would be screwed in that case, and that would be wrong.

Another common Muslim response is that all good people go to heaven, but that Muslim people perhaps go to a 'higher level' of heaven, either because their faith gives them extra brownie points with the man upstairs or because the Qur'an gives them guidance and a code of behavior with which to live by and be a really really good person. Either way, it does not resolve the inherent unfairness of being born into a Muslim family. If you are born into a Christian family and go to heaven because you are a good person, but a person who was born into a

Muslim family gets into a higher level than you because he followed the Qur'an and you followed the Bible, then that would be unjust and wrong.

So, given the huge role that circumstance plays in the faith people choose in their lives, religion cannot be a standard by which we are judged. The only fair way to do it would be to determine how good a person was given their circumstances.

Religion can't have anything to do with it.

And we've all observed this. There are good people in all faiths who don't deserve to go to hell, and there are ******* people in all faiths who probably do.

So if you've just read all that and still believe that your religious beliefs somehow entitle you to a better afterlife than me, explain it to me. Please.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Jensa said:
What about religions that don't say 'follow us or you go to hell'? ;)
Quite; I am a Christian, but I would never say that anyone who isn't a Christian will go to hell - Christ's teachings were about Love, he could never (IMO) be so 'unfair'; that simply would not be 'Christian'.;)
 

ImAj

New Member
Exactly. So you don't need to follow a specific religion to go to heaven. Therefore, no single religion is 'correct.'
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
ImAj said:
Exactly. So you don't need to follow a specific religion to go to heaven. Therefore, no single religion is 'correct.'
With that reasoning, why follow one at all? Just go where ever your fuzzy feelings take you. Good Luck.

~Victor
 

ImAj

New Member
Actually, this raises a new question: If your religion has no bearing whatsoever on your being admitted to heaven, then why do you practice it? If a Muslim believes that all good people go to heaven, then why bother praying 5 times a day, when a good Christian wouldn't have to bother? Or in the Christian's case, why bother going to church every Sunday?
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
if you take for instance christianity and paganism as absolute fact, then yes, the two would (on the surface, and for the sake of argument) cancel each other out, and there could not possibly be any one true religion

but

if you believe in something, and you believe this something is absolute truth, who is anyoen else to tell you it isnt? so all faith is valid, and true. - but on the same wavelength, who are you to tell everyone else who doesnt hold your beliefs that they are wrong? you arent

but if you look beyond the surface, a lot of religions are intertwined at a basic level, and even those that are not, the followers of these religions still have the capability to love each other for their faith

so i see no problem in there being two or more religions with completely conflicting ideas

C_P
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
ImAj said:
Actually, this raises a new question: If your religion has no bearing whatsoever on your being admitted to heaven, then why do you practice it? If a Muslim believes that all good people go to heaven, then why bother praying 5 times a day, when a good Christian wouldn't have to bother? Or in the Christian's case, why bother going to church every Sunday?
I practice Taoism because it makes me feel complete. It fascinates me and I feel I can learn something new from it every day. It's what motivates me to be the best person I can be, not because I have a reward, but because I know it's the right thing to do.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
ImAj said:
Actually, this raises a new question: If your religion has no bearing whatsoever on your being admitted to heaven, then why do you practice it? If a Muslim believes that all good people go to heaven, then why bother praying 5 times a day, when a good Christian wouldn't have to bother? Or in the Christian's case, why bother going to church every Sunday?
Put simply, I follow the path I do because I see the possibility of me going to heaven increases where I am at.

~Victor
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
ImAj said:
Exactly. So you don't need to follow a specific religion to go to heaven. Therefore, no single religion is 'correct.'
What if you believe that there is one true religion but that God will give everyone the opportunity to accept it - either in this life or the next - before the judgement. Those who had the opportunity to accept the true faith and did not or rejected it when given the opportunity will be judged at a different standard than those who were never truly given a chance to accept the truth. This is what I believe. I don't think that the God who would damn someone who was never given the opportunity to accept the him is fair or just.
 

chuck010342

Active Member
ImAj said:
I started thinking awhile back about how all the major world religions profess to bestow some type of benefit to its faithful. For instance, many Christians believe that only Christians will go to heaven, many Muslims believe that only Muslims will go to heaven, etc.

And then I started thinking about how a person's circumstances play a large part in their faith. If you're born into a Hindu familyin India, for instance, you have a much higher chance of being a Hindu than someone who is, say, born into a Christian family in the Bible belt. In fact, most people, some might say the vast majority of people, practice the same faith as their parents. Some do it half-assed, others are devout practictioners. Regardless, if you are born into a family of a particular faith, that greatly increases your chances of being a member of that faith.

So let's suppose, hypothetically, that Christianity is the one, true faith and that if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you will go to hell.

And let's suppose that you are born into a Hindu family in India, and I am born into a Christian family in the Bible Belt. Haha, you got effed in the A! Even though I'm not a better person than you by any means, I got lucky because I was born into a Christian family. Even though you have the 'opportunity' to convert, we all know you probably won't. Even though we would both probably have just practiced whatever faith we were born into, you got the shaft and will spend eternity in hell.

Sucks to be you.

My point is that given their vastly different circumstances, it would just be wrong for everyone to be judged by the same standard, such as whether or not they accept a particular faith. Asking someone born into a Muslim family to accept Christianity is a completely different situation than asking someone born into a Christian family to accept Christianity, and vice versa.

It would be analagous to giving the SAT to a college-educated economist and a four year old. Sure, it's the same test and the four year old has the 'opportunity' to do well, but their circumstances are too different for it to be a fair standard.

The funny thing is, a common thought process among people of all faiths is "Wow! I'm so lucky to have been born into a family that practices the one, true faith.

Thanks, God!" Everyone thinks they just got lucky. But it would be unfair and wrong for anyone to go to heaven or hell just because they got lucky or unlucky.

One of the common first responses I get from people who hear this is that maybe God's concept of right and wrong is simply different from ours. However, this is a ridiculous idea. If God created human beings with a moral sense, expected us to go against our moral sense, and punished people that followed it, then God would be evil by our own definition.

A common response from Christians is that since all human beings are 'fallen' because of original sin, then no one deserves to go heaven, and it is only by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and God's mercy that anyone goes to heaven at all.

That's fine, but if everyone deserves to go to hell, then it is still wrong for some undeserving people to go to heaven just because they got lucky and were born into the right circumstances. They are not better people, and are not more deserving of heaven than anyone else, so why should they be rewarded?

Of course, the whole circumstantial aspect of faith argument can be used for Islam as well. If one must accept Islam to go to heaven, then people born into Muslim families have a ridiculously large advantage over other people, and that would be unfair.

Some common Muslim responses include that it is not just Muslims that go to heaven, it is all of the good, believing 'People of the Book' which includes Christians and Jews as well. However, people born into, say, Hindu families would be screwed in that case, and that would be wrong.

Another common Muslim response is that all good people go to heaven, but that Muslim people perhaps go to a 'higher level' of heaven, either because their faith gives them extra brownie points with the man upstairs or because the Qur'an gives them guidance and a code of behavior with which to live by and be a really really good person. Either way, it does not resolve the inherent unfairness of being born into a Muslim family. If you are born into a Christian family and go to heaven because you are a good person, but a person who was born into a

Muslim family gets into a higher level than you because he followed the Qur'an and you followed the Bible, then that would be unjust and wrong.

So, given the huge role that circumstance plays in the faith people choose in their lives, religion cannot be a standard by which we are judged. The only fair way to do it would be to determine how good a person was given their circumstances.

Religion can't have anything to do with it.

And we've all observed this. There are good people in all faiths who don't deserve to go to hell, and there are ******* people in all faiths who probably do.

So if you've just read all that and still believe that your religious beliefs somehow entitle you to a better afterlife than me, explain it to me. Please.


Tell that to Ravi Zacharias
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
What does telling a Christian apologist something have to do with the questions ImAj asked?
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
ImAj said:
Actually, this raises a new question: If your religion has no bearing whatsoever on your being admitted to heaven,
Because my religion gives me comfort, love for other people, and helps me to celebrate who I am.
 

Mercury

Member
very valid point ImAj - no one religion is correct. it raises an interesting question, if god does exist - who is the one true god?
 

Chimowowo

Member
I like this question. It's not really one I have thought about before because even though I practice no religion my starting religion (the one I was born into) was baptist. So I changed religions and researched quite a few ones, but I always though of as a religion in which if you weren't in it, you went to hell (assuming it was the right one). Now I'm atheist and don't practice it, but now I must ponder the question of why practice if there is no hell and/or why be good.

Though I can kind of answer this anyways. Whether you believe in a religion or not, and even if a relgion is the 'true' religion I think that the religions and practices we have now are not what was originally set down or intended. To often a ruler, or priest or person of some influence will change and preach what he wants people to do based on his views. That's pretty much how we ended up with so many different sects of christianity.

I'm not saying those people are wrong or bad or anything, just that over time it has all been warped. So it for those that are worship or burn, they might not have started that way and instead changed to be that way so as to get more worshipers, or power, or for some other reason.

But as far as why it was done, or why worship, and/or why be good if there is no penalty for not...it's because this is what is needed to function in a larger society. I don't even believe in a god, but I live a very good and what I like to think as moral life. I don't do it for fear I will burn in hell, I do it because this is so that everyone can get along. And these morals aren't even set in stone. If you look all over the world, different people have different morals about everything. And that I think is one of the reasons religions are the way they are and the governments are the way they are. It's all done so we can all get along as best we can, and progress forward as a whole.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
Jensa said:
What about religions that don't say 'follow us or you go to hell'? ;)

:) Not Asatru. There are a few different places you can go in the after life, Helheim being one of them, over which the Goddess Hel presides. However, there is no punishment realm. If you die in Battle you go to Valhalla to live with Odin, where you train for the final Battle of Ragnorak or with Freyja. The rest pretty much go to stay with Hel and spend most of their time watching over their family who still live. So, it isn't only in life that our families are important. We'll be guiding our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren for many years to come.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
ImAj said:
So, given the huge role that circumstance plays in the faith people choose in their lives, religion cannot be a standard by which we are judged. The only fair way to do it would be to determine how good a person was given their circumstances.

Religion can't have anything to do with it.

And we've all observed this. There are good people in all faiths who don't deserve to go to hell, and there are ******* people in all faiths who probably do.

So if you've just read all that and still believe that your religious beliefs somehow entitle you to a better afterlife than me, explain it to me. Please.
Everything you've said makes perfect sense. I believe that salvation is through Jesus Christ and Him alone. However, there's more to it than the points you've addressed. Since I don't want to repeat myself, check out the thread called "Is Hell Eternal?" (under Biblical Debates) for my thoughts on the subject.
 
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