No one should believe in evolution!

[ChristineM]

Thanks ChristineM. are you telling facts or telling postulations?

Facts, only facts.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

This has no any significance. many species has similar genomes to other species.

It isn't similarity that evidences evolution. Rather, it is the nested hierarchy of similarities that evidences evolution. It is the PATTERN of similarities which evidences evolution.

Behold, these apes with DNA resembling humans most likely are progeny to those human metamorphosed by God to apes. You will reject this probability but read this Quranic verse (And ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them; Be despised apes) 1:66. noble Quran
I hope one of the Jews would comment on this. Science can help to tell to which race these apes are so close to?

In the fossil record we see the opposite trend where the oldest hominid transitionals have the most ape features whereas the more recent fossil hominids have more human features. This is the exactly opposite of what your scenario would predict.

 

[Baroodi]

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This has no any significance. many species has similar genomes to other species.

Behold, these apes with DNA resembling humans most likely are progeny to those human metamorphosed by God to apes. You will reject this probability but read this Quranic verse (And ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them; Be despised apes) 1:66. noble Quran
I hope one of the Jews would comment on this. Science can help to tell to which race these apes are so close to?

I got interesting points today

Yes We need to study the matter

Quran gives scientific hints that streamline with each scientific discovery with no contraindication for the last 15 centuries when darkness was all over the globe. take this example; there is a chapter in Quran named Elhadeed (Iron). Among the chapters of Quran Elhadeed is Number 57. The verse in which the word iron mentioned is verse No 26, this verse says (We descended the Iron, Which has so much strength in it) 57:26

Now as indicated by science
Iron Atomic weight is 57
Iron electrons are 26

Do you think the unlettered Mohammed faked all this 1500 years ago?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Do you think the unlettered Mohammed faked all this 1500 years ago?

I think you can find coincidences in every text.

 

[gnostic]

I got interesting points today

Yes We need to study the matter

Quran gives scientific hints that streamline with each scientific discovery with no contraindication for the last 15 centuries when darkness was all over the globe. take this example; there is a chapter in Quran named Elhadeed (Iron). Among the chapters of Quran Elhadeed is Number 57. The verse in which the word iron mentioned is verse No 26, this verse says (We descended the Iron, Which has so much strength in it) 57:26

Now as indicated by science
Iron Atomic weight is 57
Iron electrons are 26

Do you think the unlettered Mohammed faked all this 1500 years ago?

Gee, I hate numerology.

It is funny how Muslims tell us they believe in science, and yet some of them still resort to using superstitions and cheap numerology to make their points.

 

[ecco]

I got interesting points today

Yes We need to study the matter

Quran gives scientific hints that streamline with each scientific discovery with no contraindication for the last 15 centuries when darkness was all over the globe. take this example; there is a chapter in Quran named Elhadeed (Iron). Among the chapters of Quran Elhadeed is Number 57. The verse in which the word iron mentioned is verse No 26, this verse says (We descended the Iron, Which has so much strength in it) 57:26

Now as indicated by science
Iron Atomic weight is 57
Iron electrons are 26

Do you think the unlettered Mohammed faked all this 1500 years ago?

This 57:26?

(57:26) Indeed We48 sent forth Noah and Abraham and established in their line Prophecy and the Book.49 Then some of them embraced the guidance and many of them are wicked.50​

Hmmm, no mention of iron.

Maybe you meant a different 57:26. Perhaps, since you are more familiar with the Koran than most of us, you could quote from the chapter and verse instead of just (incorrectly?) mentioning it.

 

[Baroodi]

This 57:26?

(57:26) Indeed We48 sent forth Noah and Abraham and established in their line Prophecy and the Book.49 Then some of them embraced the guidance and many of them are wicked.50​

Hmmm, no mention of iron.

Maybe you meant a different 57:26. Perhaps, since you are more familiar with the Koran than most of us, you could quote from the chapter and verse instead of just (incorrectly?) mentioning it.

It is the verse just above the one you quoted. Every chapter start with What we call Elbasmal ( In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, some scholars consider it a verse by its own

 

[Baroodi]

Gee, I hate numerology.

It is funny how Muslims tell us they believe in science, and yet some of them still resort to using superstitions and cheap numerology to make their points.

do you think this coincidence in numerology is haphazard or hapening by such a chance

Quran is a miracle in every pit of it
- history
- numerology
- science
- rhetoric, language, grammar, Rhythm etc...
- eloquence
- challenge against distortion. millions memorize it from cover to cover by heart. which book shares this? for more than 1500 years no change and God challenge every fabricator (We descended the Reminder (Quran) and We Will preserve it)
- challenge to produce something similar (Say if humans and Jinns gathered to compile a peer to this Quran, they cannot
- so many others if you want me to elaborate

 

[Baroodi]

I give you another verse in poetry. Quran Chapters are 114 by number. Elhadeed (Iron) chapter is NO 57, this means the middle. Do you know that the core of the globe is mainly Iron. Yes open your eyes. Iron chapter is in the core or middle of Quran. Is this put by Mohammed the unlettered. You dont feel this must be something devine? at least you can say not natural then study this unnatural.

 

[Baroodi]

Facts, only facts.

That means you are explaining: what is water? as water

 

[Baroodi]

I think you can find coincidences in every text.

NO, the recurrence of events with that momentum is against the laws of probabilities

 

[ecco]

I got interesting points today. Among the chapters of Quran Elhadeed is Number 57. The verse in which the word iron mentioned is verse No 26, this verse says (We descended the Iron, Which has so much strength in it) 57:26

Now as indicated by science
Iron Atomic weight is 57
Iron electrons are 26

Do you think the unlettered Mohammed faked all this 1500 years ago?

This 57:26?

(57:26) Indeed We48 sent forth Noah and Abraham and established in their line Prophecy and the Book.49 Then some of them embraced the guidance and many of them are wicked.50

Hmmm, no mention of iron.

Maybe you meant a different 57:26. Perhaps, since you are more familiar with the Koran than most of us, you could quote from the chapter and verse instead of just (incorrectly?) mentioning it.

It is the verse just above the one you quoted. Every chapter start with What we call Elbasmal ( In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, some scholars consider it a verse by its own

You posted:

Now as indicated by science
Iron Atomic weight is 57
Iron electrons are 26​

You claimed iron was mentioned in 57:26

Now I find iron is mentioned in 57:25

And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might​

... not in 57:26

As you stated there are 26 electrons in an iron atom.

You specifically stated the words from 57:25 and you specifically stated they were from 57:26.

I got interesting points today. Among the chapters of Quran Elhadeed is Number 57. The verse in which the word iron mentioned is verse No 26, this verse says (We descended the Iron, Which has so much strength in it) 57:26

So, you lied when you made the comment above. Were you hoping no one would check? Well, I did.
Also, it's ...

And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might​

not ...

We descended the Iron, Which has so much strength in it​

When I called you out, you tried a silly attempt at dodging...

It is the verse just above the one you quoted.

Yeah, it is the verse above 26. It's verse 25. So your whole original comment about the knowledge in the quran and atomic weights was all a flat out lie on your part. The only other alternative is that your Messenger wrote down the wrong verse numbers when allah was dictating the quran. Maybe he was dehydrated from being out in the desert too long.

Actually, if you want to preserve any dignity, just admit you intentionally lied and slink away quietly.

 

[ecco]

do you think this coincidence in numerology is haphazard or hapening by such a chance

Quran is a miracle in every pit of it

You mean the coincidence in numerology which isn't even a coincidence sine 25 is not 26.

See my post above.

 

[ecco]

I give you another verse in poetry. Quran Chapters are 114 by number. Elhadeed (Iron) chapter is NO 57, this means the middle. Do you know that the core of the globe is mainly Iron. Yes open your eyes. Iron chapter is in the core or middle of Quran. Is this put by Mohammed the unlettered. You dont feel this must be something devine? at least you can say not natural then study this unnatural.

Do you really want to post more BS and continue misquoting and lying about your quran? See post #172

 

[ecco]

NO, the recurrence of events with that momentum is against the laws of probabilities

The recurrence is in your BS.

 

[ChristineM]

That means you are explaining: what is water? as water

You asked a question giving 2 choices, i chose the factual one. If you wanted an explanation it helps if you ask for an explanation.

Water = Two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen

 

[ImmortalFlame]

do you think this coincidence in numerology is haphazard or hapening by such a chance

Except they aren't happening by "chance". The people who believe in numerology already know what conclusions they want to confirm, and it's not difficult to search any piece of text of any kind to find various numbers, ascribe to those numbers a specific meaning, then tell people what you want it all to mean. Almost every major religion has adherents who can use numerology to "demonstrate" that their texts (which often conflict with each other) are uniquely divinely inspired.

Biblical numerology - Wikipedia
Introduction to Gematria – Hebrew Numerology
Tarot and Numerology—Interpreting the meaning of numbers in your Tarot cards | Biddy Tarot
Hinduism and Numerology
Buddhist numerology

 

[Polymath257]

NO, the recurrence of events with that momentum is against the laws of probabilities

No, you can literally do this with *any* text that is sufficiently long if you search enough and twist enough.

A good test: if you didn't know what to search for, would the message still be clear? if not, you are reading your desires into the text.

 

[gnostic]

do you think this coincidence in numerology is haphazard or hapening by such a chance

Quran is a miracle in every pit of it
- history
- numerology
- science
- rhetoric, language, grammar, Rhythm etc...
- eloquence
- challenge against distortion. millions memorize it from cover to cover by heart. which book shares this? for more than 1500 years no change and God challenge every fabricator (We descended the Reminder (Quran) and We Will preserve it)
- challenge to produce something similar (Say if humans and Jinns gathered to compile a peer to this Quran, they cannot
- so many others if you want me to elaborate

What are muslim’s position on astrology, fortune telling and palmistry (and other divination, eg oracle, crystal ball, etc), witchcraft and sorcery, alchemy, Baroodi?

I asked, because all these falls under the category of occultism, and that’s including numerology.

How is Islam, any different to pagan religions that also used numerology?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

NO, the recurrence of events with that momentum is against the laws of probabilities

Then lets see your math.