No Pagan pride here.

[3.14]

yes but you need support to make that happen, you can first get lot of support online and then meet in real life, i heard some people on this forum did the same.
ps. a web page is a good way to organize people
YouTube - Flashmobs.

 

[Kcnorwood]

yes but you need support to make that happen, you can first get lot of support online and then meet in real life, i heard some people on this forum did the same.
ps. a web page is a good way to organize people
YouTube - Flashmobs.

We had those things & sadly no one even cared to show up not even once.

 

[Ciarin]

it's weird, I have been in places where the PPD's were active andbig, but I've never attended one. I guess I have a feelingit's like a fluffy hippy new age convention and I have no motivation to go to one.

 

[Kcnorwood]

it's weird, I have been in places where the PPD's were active andbig, but I've never attended one. I guess I have a feelingit's like a fluffy hippy new age convention and I have no motivation to go to one.

Here is a list of things they have done now granted, you can help do good things in your area without saying your a Pagan. But the point of saying your a Pagan is to show people that we're not the sterotypes that people think we are.
Now because Pagans tend to keep to themselves the money they raise comapred to others is not staggering but every little bit does help.

The Pagan Pride Project Web site: History

 

[Isabella Lecour]

Here is a list of things they have done now granted, you can help do good things in your area without saying your a Pagan. But the point of saying your a Pagan is to show people that we're not the sterotypes that people think we are.
Now because Pagans tend to keep to themselves the money they raise comapred to others is not staggering but every little bit does help.

The Pagan Pride Project Web site: History

Perhaps all PPD's would be better off billed as a charity fun event rather than a loud in your face event that all PPD's seam to be swept up in. Personal I don't see how a pride day is in keepin with my own Paganism. It's not religious, not a religious event and compleatly redundent as I wear symbols of my faith. I am sorry but most of my complaints are for the whole PPD rather than your own strugles with it.

I much prefer Harvest Fairs and May Days and the like in comparison. Especially when I know the orginisares are Pagans rather than some other Christian based event. If you really want to organise an event perhaps you need to see what is wanted and work towards providing that instead.

 

[Kcnorwood]

Here's my personal belief on why I think the we need groups like the PPD. Because most Pagans by themselves won't stand up for themselves when wronged. So I think we need to learn to unite & come together & try edcuate those who believe the worst about us. I'm not saying that we should try to convert anyone but I tire of hearing & how evil we are. I guess if your Ok with these things then so be it. As I've said before my wife & I want kids & I do not want our kids to be raised hearing things such as they are going to hell. Of course we're never going to stop everyone from believing these things, thats impossible & will never happen. However if we got enough people out there to know the differences perhaps sooner or later things will get better. To me it's just lazy to sit around & let others to people what we believe.

 

[cheddarsox]

Like I said at some point the 4 of us who still would like to do something to plan do make up some sort of private group, so we don't have to conform to those rules that PPD reglional has. Hut your idea does have some merit!

Is there an SC pagan organization of any kind? even a webgroup?

I like to "know" the people I'm working with face to face as well. There is no substitute for it. And I like to be real clear what the agenda of any gathering is. Because otherwise they are nearly always a huge waste of time.

Even if it's just fellowship, I like to know, and keep it as such, because people have a way of injecting their own spin onto things. Next thing you know someone is hawking their homeade lotions and another is inviting people to their $350 weekend past life seminar...sigh.

I guess the first step is to brainstorm about what we really seek, and find out what there is energy behind.

right now, i feel the desire for some community...but I'm not clear what I want or expect that community to offer or provide.

What were you hoping to accomplish with a local pagan pride day? I mean specifically?

 

[Kcnorwood]

Is there an SC pagan organization of any kind? even a webgroup?

Most of what is down this was is alot of fluff if you will, take this for example.
I was talking with this guy from Orangeburg & whose a memeber of this one group we used be in. I asked him if he was Wiccan, Pagan or what path he was on. HE said yes. I asked him once again sometime later same question & again he said yes. I believe there are two maybe three webgroups here I can't speak for all of them but the one we used to be apart of is one you should stay away from.

I have to admit I thought that they local Pagans here would jump onto this I sorely
Overestimated what was going to happen. We all knew that it was going to be a uphill battle but this was more like a uphill battle in a blizzard backwards.

I like to "know" the people I'm working with face to face as well. There is no substitute for it. And I like to be real clear what the agenda of any gathering is. Because otherwise they are nearly always a huge waste of time.

Excatly.



Even if it's just fellowship, I like to know, and keep it as such, because people have a way of injecting their own spin onto things. Next thing you know someone is hawking their homeade lotions and another is inviting people to their $350 weekend past life seminar...sigh.

I guess the first step is to brainstorm about what we really seek, and find out what there is energy behind.

right now, i feel the desire for some community...but I'm not clear what I want or expect that community to offer or provide.

What were you hoping to accomplish with a local pagan pride day? I mean specifically?

Like I've said before one of the biggest things we wanted to do was help people understand that we're just like them & what they see or hear on TV or from thier Churches isn't true. At one point we wanted to do a roadside clean up but that too seem a no -go because of the local poltics, perhaps at this point in time we're better off doing these things as a private group & going from there.

 

[cheddarsox]

Like I've said before one of the biggest things we wanted to do was help people understand that we're just like them & what they see or hear on TV or from thier Churches isn't true. At one point we wanted to do a roadside clean up but that too seem a no -go because of the local poltics, perhaps at this point in time we're better off doing these things as a private group & going from there.

I recognize that bitter deflated tone...it sometimes creeps into my voice/head when I'm dealing with this as well.

that's why I know I need to be very clear what MY agenda is before/when I enter or start a group...because I don't want to waste a bunch of people's time and good will.

I think many of us pagans have "been there, done that" and have burn out and resentment issues. So when someone comes along saying "get on board"..we hesitate, not wanting to waste our time and energy again...and thinking...we got along this long without that, I guess I can still live without it.

I'm not sure how to overcome my own bitterness and apathy, let alone how to invite another to do the same. But I do think that the "organic" process is most likely to work..enough like minded folks bump into one another enough times, find something that makes them stick together, and they start doing their own thing...and bump into some other like minded folks...etc. Until a 'movement' of some sort gains momentum from the inside rather than the out.

You mentioned that you have four people..what do you coallesce around? what focus, idea, hope, dream, etc?

I understand your concern/hope for pagan image in the larger society, especially raising kids that will live in that society, but I'm not sure pagans ARE like everyone else. I mean, of course, we're human and 90% of our energy goes into the same things everyone's does...but that last 10% is significant. It really is a different way of understanding our relationship to the Universe and others.

Whatever we do manage to create in the way of community...I don't want to try to imitate the way other spiritual groups do it, either by trying to do a pagan version of the same, or by deliberatly doing it the opposite, just to show that we are not them.

I want us to be patient with ourselves and the process, and keep our minds/hearts open to what pagan community looks like.

And I'm a little scared, because I know some that are based on things I find silly and sometimes reprehensible...and I want to believe that we have more to offer than fluff or using our faith as an excuse for antisocial or self indulgent behavior. I want to believe that we have what it takes to create communities that are healthy, challenging, and worth the effort.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I recognize that bitter deflated tone...it sometimes creeps into my voice/head when I'm dealing with this as well.

that's why I know I need to be very clear what MY agenda is before/when I enter or start a group...because I don't want to waste a bunch of people's time and good will.

I think many of us pagans have "been there, done that" and have burn out and resentment issues. So when someone comes along saying "get on board"..we hesitate, not wanting to waste our time and energy again...and thinking...we got along this long without that, I guess I can still live without it.

I'm not sure how to overcome my own bitterness and apathy, let alone how to invite another to do the same. But I do think that the "organic" process is most likely to work..enough like minded folks bump into one another enough times, find something that makes them stick together, and they start doing their own thing...and bump into some other like minded folks...etc. Until a 'movement' of some sort gains momentum from the inside rather than the out.

You mentioned that you have four people..what do you coallesce around? what focus, idea, hope, dream, etc?


To be honest with you we're taking a break we just week disbanded the PPD we had going bcause of the lack of intrest. We hope for excatly what I've been talking about. When the time comes for my wife & I to have kids I want them to feel safe going to school. We want to try & get rid of the sterotypes about us & be honest with others about who are & to show them we're humans just like everyone else is. While our spiritual paths maybe different we all have to live in this world together.

I understand your concern/hope for pagan image in the larger society, especially raising kids that will live in that society, but I'm not sure pagans ARE like everyone else. I mean, of course, we're human and 90% of our energy goes into the same things everyone's does...but that last 10% is significant. It really is a different way of understanding our relationship to the Universe and others.

Whatever we do manage to create in the way of community...I don't want to try to imitate the way other spiritual groups do it, either by trying to do a pagan version of the same, or by deliberatly doing it the opposite, just to show that we are not them.

I want us to be patient with ourselves and the process, and keep our minds/hearts open to what pagan community looks like.

And I'm a little scared, because I know some that are based on things I find silly and sometimes reprehensible...and I want to believe that we have more to offer than fluff or using our faith as an excuse for antisocial or self indulgent behavior. I want to believe that we have what it takes to create communities that are healthy, challenging, and worth the effort.

In the end I think that is what any true Pagan would want also.