no religion is the only truth, but truth is found in them all

[Brian2]

Well you were "told" incorrectly..
Jesus clearly speaks about people being eternally in heaven or hell.
..and how do you know where your soul originated?
Have you some scripture that says your soul was "created out of thin air"?

My understanding of the scripture is that God breathed a spirit into Adam to make him a living soul. I also think that from there that life force was passed from Adam to Eve and to each child of them etc and to us.
Eternity into the future is certainly possible, but it will take a long time to achieve

Why didn't God decide to pretend to be a man for the thousands of years before Jesus was sent, when he sent prophets in the OT, for example?

In OT times there were plenty of times imo that God appeared to people in the form of a man. That does not mean God was a man then but had the form of a man and sometimes had the form of something else. It is only with Jesus that divinity became human.

..what about John the Baptist .. he had is head cut off .. why isn't he God, and "died for our sins" in the way you claim that Jesus did?

Jesus was the only sinless man and was the one sent to be sinless and to be the sacrifice that fulfilled OT prophecy (eg Isa 53)

What .. a son of God being killed by hypocrites shows that God loves us?
Weird..

For the Son of God to endure all that shows how much He loves us and for the Father to watch all that and not crush a few people shows how much He loves us.

 

[muhammad_isa]

In OT times there were plenty of times imo that God appeared to people in the form of a man. That does not mean God was a man then but had the form of a man..

It seems that God wants to confuse us all, in your understanding..
God expects us to take the first commandment seriously .. and then he pops up here and there claiming to be God.

At least I won't be so easily fooled by the dajal (beast/anti-christ) .. he will claim to be God too, and many people will believe him because he will perform many miracles..
Me? No created being can be God .. it's an illogical concept.

For the Son of God to endure all that shows how much He loves us..

..and John the Baptist .. who cares about his death?
.. Christians don't, it seems, because it has to be all about Jesus.

It is a crafty conjuring trick .. focus on Jesus' crucifixion, and not what he taught.

 

[Brian2]

It seems that God wants to confuse us all, in your understanding..
God expects us to take the first commandment seriously .. and then he pops up here and there claiming to be God.

At least I won't be so easily fooled by the dajal (beast/anti-christ) .. he will claim to be God too, and many people will believe him because he will perform many miracles..
Me? No created being can be God .. it's an illogical concept.

It is illogical to think that Jesus, through whom all things came into existence before He became a man, can be a created being.
It is also illogical to think that the omnipotent God cannot step into the creation and become a man.

..and John the Baptist .. who cares about his death?
.. Christians don't, it seems, because it has to be all about Jesus.

It is a crafty conjuring trick .. focus on Jesus' crucifixion, and not what he taught.

Christians focus on Jesus and on His crucifixion and on what He taught. It all fits together.
Muslims deny Jesus crucifixion death and many things Jesus said and so concern themselves with Muhammad and not Jesus.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It is illogical to think that Jesus, through whom all things came into existence before He became a man, can be a created being.

That is illogical.
Jesus worshiped "Our Father" i.e. God
He taught us the Lord's prayer.

..and then you say that Jesus created everything, while he is a man, and a man is a created being i.e. Adam

It is also illogical to think that the omnipotent God cannot step into the creation and become a man..

Why would God wish to create such confusion?
Now, you say only the man Jesus can be God..
..and what is to stop somebody else saying that "insert your man here" is God.
..and that is exactly what the anti-Christ will do. Claim to be God.
..and then there was Pharaoh .. he claimed to be God.

It's very simple. NO MAN IS GOD .. and God would not send 100's of prophets into the world, and then suddenly send "Himself" .. it is totally illogical.

Christians focus on Jesus and on His crucifixion and on what He taught. It all fits together..

..not in the way you claim it does. We are responsible for our own sins. That is what Jesus taught .. the rest is mumbo-jumbo.

Muslims deny Jesus crucifixion death and many things Jesus said and so concern themselves with Muhammad and not Jesus.

Not necessarily. We concern ourselves with truth.
The truth is, that we are all responsible for our actions.
..and "God dying on a cross" having some sort of higher meaning is based on mistaken belief. It is a mix of Hellenistic and Jewish culture.
..and the Roman "bit" became uppermost, as Jewish belief was suppressed, being a threat to Roman rule/law.

 

[rational experiences]

The human important used imposed word religion owns various descriptive analogies. Of human behaviour.

As the human spoken word use is first. Highest use in life the human.

So if you discuss human life. First humans did not express religious belief.

Family natural life was mutual communion of earth life. So God was the planet...their presence human family living is inside the planets heavens.

Pretty basic you can't argue against your own advice. Human.

No self idolisation....what religious practice involves.

Basic question why.

The answer is because religious practice was Idealised after sciences humans theories with a false god a fixed machines status caused life's attack. Science. Science became religious science.

As machines are not the heavens natural living body Inheritor. Life is.

Pretty basic religious practices by humans still involved false human ideals. False past reason the self idolated Mr know it all lying man.

Religion.

Family is first not owning any theory of just another human. Talking stories first word use. The self idolator.

Is the warning.

Mutual equal life owned natural hierarchial order.

Parents first.
Babies.
Parents age.
Babies age.
Parents too old to labour.
Babies adults now labour.

Mutuality I now care for my elder.

Baby adult has babies. Elder not only cares as baby parent labours. They teach humans wisdom by lived life's experiences.

True religious hierarchy. Family first not thesis.

Humans meeting together in one place were trying to put family life back into its owned natural hierarchial order before the science status destroyed us again.

 

[Brian2]

That is illogical.
Jesus worshiped "Our Father" i.e. God
He taught us the Lord's prayer.

..and then you say that Jesus created everything, while he is a man, and a man is a created being i.e. Adam


Why would God wish to create such confusion?
Now, you say only the man Jesus can be God..
..and what is to stop somebody else saying that "insert your man here" is God.
..and that is exactly what the anti-Christ will do. Claim to be God.
..and then there was Pharaoh .. he claimed to be God.

It's very simple. NO MAN IS GOD .. and God would not send 100's of prophets into the world, and then suddenly send "Himself" .. it is totally illogical.

I said that Jesus created everything before He became a man.
That is what the Bible teaches.
Then Jesus became a man and His Father became His God at that point (Psalm 22:10) and so Jesus worshiped Him.
God did not create that confusion, you confused yourself.
It does not matter what Pharaoh claimed or what the antichrist claims.
When God came to people in the OT times in the appearance of men, angels etc He was not a man then, He just took on an appearance.
The New Testament teaches that all the fullness of absolute deity dwells in Jesus bodily (Col 2:9) The NT has Thomas calling Jesus "My God" (John 20:28) Jesus is the Son of God, not created but His life comes from the Father and He has always been with the Father. This is what the Bible teaches us.

..not in the way you claim it does. We are responsible for our own sins. That is what Jesus taught .. the rest is mumbo-jumbo.

That is the problem. We are responsible for our own sins and we deserve the wages for our sins, death. God provided Jesus as the sacrifice to take away our sins, provide forgiveness, so that we can come to the Father in confidence and not begging for forgiveness, but having accepted the forgiveness offered and having lived in fellowship with Him through the Holy Spirit whom He gives us.

Not necessarily. We concern ourselves with truth.
The truth is, that we are all responsible for our actions.
..and "God dying on a cross" having some sort of higher meaning is based on mistaken belief. It is a mix of Hellenistic and Jewish culture.
..and the Roman "bit" became uppermost, as Jewish belief was suppressed, being a threat to Roman rule/law.

So what is written and preached about Jesus is mumbo jumbo and you have found an alternative history to believe, as people do.

 

[muhammad_isa]

This is what the Bible teaches us.

You're entitled to your opinion.

God provided Jesus as the sacrifice to take away our sins.

Think what you are saying..
If "God provided Jesus as the sacrifice", then how can Jesus have created the universe, and not God??

So what is written and preached about Jesus is mumbo jumbo and you have found an alternative history to believe, as people do.

No .. it is not all mumbo-jumbo.
Almighty God created the universe.
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, and is the promised Messiah.
He taught us the Lord's prayer.
He will return to the world shortly as Armageddon is nigh.

Some people will believe he is who he says he is i.e. Jesus
..and the rest will deny him.

This is all part of God's plan. God is omniscient. He caused Jesus to ascend to Him in His wisdom, to send him back at the time appointed.

 

[rational experiences]

You have to be a human first.
The first science theist is a living man a human man once a baby man.

Knowing you are the theist of humans science to practice by man's belief. False gods terms only.

Jesus the teaching said the man crucified on the suns mass heavens above mountain sun zero cross... zero in Hebrew Sin.... hit by mass cross body attack was termed Jesus a criminal man.

Theif in science against God term.

Reason a man as a baby was born by his father's human sex. His human sin from his bio cell inheritance between a man and woman only.

Jesus the man's body sacrificed adult term said a non sexual man had caused it...owned the causes.

Meaning never was the first ever human man theist our human father. First man life. He lived existed in all of natural earths gods heavens gods holy laws. First human man father.

Not any other use of a name or title. Just our human holy father.

Inheritance was the heavens laws that allowed him to live as a human then die as a human mutually equally ...not by sacrifice with his brothers. Also all mans same father's in every nation. The same DNA father.

First father holy.

Baby man adult theist not yet anyone's father. He practiced false hierarchy as a man king man leader. He wasn't the father of all humans. A king title said only his son man was important...no one else.

In life holy father was our natural life hierarchy.

A teaching only.

Only an adult son man can theory the sciences. Baby hadn't caused it either as baby life. Natural body mind. Innocent said the review.

He falsified that his father allowed him to understand science. He hadn't known science. First human father.

Only the star fall brain man understood the sciences as not our holy father in natural laws.

Therefore Jesus criminal Phi theories by pyramid temple builders life's were the hypocrite Judas. Was after humans DNA man's life had returned from previous mutated cell life.... conscious redevelopment humanity had healed.

Maybe a million years.

To re theory man's only wisdom as phi science. As only the minds who knew in men's life understood technology. Had returned in human healing.

Told why you re chose science and technology evil again.

Therefore historic the wandering human desert tribes trace their fathers national lineage back to the Egyptians.

Various tribal families today were all once in the Egyptians father's DNA origin.

Why they as Jews could understand the theory and building of the Phi designs. The teaching why.

Who assisted Rome to rebuild it with new additional false safety measures such as henges a new grounding model. That were blown up burnt. Like the technology had before of old.

Why nuclear today is burning our upper atmospheric mass. Life is cell blood bone dying sacrificed again inside heavens changing sacrifice crossing above..ufo ark.

Mans imposed machine cooling techniques himself were not natural laws. Free flow cooling seasonal movement.

The Jesus terms that saved life was vacuum void sucked out and took down gas increased body sacrifice above us ....spirits light immaculate sacrifice above.

Sky went dark.

Mother body womb saved us from death by combustion above as the gas flame above. Took it down bodily. No origin immaculate sacrifice burning of gas was stopped. Exactly told.

Sin K holes stopped opening up as tectonic carpenter collapse in tombed body leaving.....as nothing position man's thesis to convert God in mass.

Nothing in mass was never peace.

The teaching exact. Men learnt that fact. Space law owns peace not mass.

So in fact Jesus had not saved life the mother womb the mother of God immaculate had.

Was the real teaching.

Jesus Phi terms had never pre existed as only men theory the circle as a man living upon held O mass. A circular body in a circle cycle.

It's why today science wanted to convince humans you only live on a flat earth.

Men using flat plane machine mass false god thesis. Now use mind contact bio body life change studies heavens fallout they cause experiments by their thinking control. Claim it proves their machine has cell contacts.

Father said try pulsing your transmitters at Empty ground to prove yourself instantly wrong.

But they won't.

Father also said try convincing family a machine you control by button pressing as a human is doing it. They will never believe you. When you control every choice as a human. Theory Phi build it change it by human choices.

Ai machine doesn't.

 

[rational experiences]

What men self advise.

UFO ark not controlled by man crossed over itself. Attacked everything. Flooding since a new law science caused.

Science says science never owned why atmosphere flooded natural mass law did. Gods law in space changed its not science.

An earthquake tectonic shift gods law first.

Man lied said carpenter tectonic he caused. Earth God caused it.

He changed spatial law pressures above in heavens....is the human truth. Therefore Jesus is not an earthquake.

Men said mountains presence owned tectonic earthquake natural history also. Stone raised above our heads.

Men in science just words stories first lied and have lied non stop about man's practice science.

Why he said conscience was mans consciousness thinking only first.

Con science is man's con.

No man is God.

Gods space law pressures would instantly kill biology as God terms in space history.

 

[Brian2]

Think what you are saying..
If "God provided Jesus as the sacrifice", then how can Jesus have created the universe, and not God??

Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, and is the promised Messiah.

This is all part of God's plan. God is omniscient. He caused Jesus to ascend to Him in His wisdom, to send him back at the time appointed.

God created all things through His Son. So the Son cannot have been created.
Jesus was born from a virgin and who was His Father?
Is Jesus in heaven in a special suite that enables Him to live in heaven or is He there in His resurrection body, which is made to be immortal and live anywhere?

 

[muhammad_isa]

God created all things through His Son..

You can't have it both ways .. well, you can, if you claim that belief does not need to make sense.

You say God created everything through His Son, but that implies that the Son is not God.
If you say that there is only One God, and both the Father and the Son are God, then you are saying that "God created everything through His God"

..and that "God provided God as a human sacrifice for our sins"

Is Jesus in heaven in a special suite that enables Him to live in heaven or is He there in His resurrection body, which is made to be immortal and live anywhere?

Almighty God does not live in this universe.
Jesus can disappear and appear seamlessly 100 of years later,
as time as we measure it, does not exist in "heaven".

 

[Muffled]

Of course I do .. but I probably interpret them differently to you.

I believe if the words do not come from Jesus then your interpretations may be incorrect.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I believe if the words do not come from Jesus then your interpretations may be incorrect.

That is gibberish..
Do you read Jesus' words in Greek or English?

..and it doesn't matter that much anyway, because Jesus spoke Aramaic.

 

[Muffled]

Yes true.
If you follow the thread back you will see I was speaking about the truth that non Christians should follow and will be judged by. That imo is the morals that Jesus taught.

I believe He is still teaching. My Lord is not the Bible; my Lord is Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

That is gibberish..
Do you read Jesus' words in Greek or English?

..and it doesn't matter that much anyway, because Jesus spoke Aramaic.

I read in English but God knows all the languages and He is my guide.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I read in English but God knows all the languages and He is my guide.

He is "my guide" too..
You are not unique, in this respect.