No Rituals or Miracles

[February-Saturday]

I never said that my idea of what is harmful should be applied, I m talking about what is proven to be harmful by facts, I don't think that two sane people can't agree that for example killing people for not doing rituals is something bad ...

You would probably be surprised, and possibly disgusted, with the entire field of moral sociology and meta-ethics, then.

 

[PureX]

I never said that my idea of what is harmful should be applied, I m talking about what is proven to be harmful by facts, I don't think that two sane people can't agree that for example killing people for not doing rituals is something bad ...

Humans are not especially sane.

There are a great many humans that do not live by 'the facts', but rather live by their perceptions and emotions. Many more, probably, than live by facts or reason. We are a very diversely cognitive species with very diverse methods of grasping and dealing with our own existence.

I think killing people for ANY reason is bad, including even self-preservation. But the world I am living in doesn't care what I think. And doesn't tend to allow me the luxury of being 'right' as an option, in many instances.

 

[CriticalThinking]

You would probably be surprised, and possibly disgusted, with the entire field of moral sociology and meta-ethics, then.

for sure Humans surprise me sometimes

Humans are not especially sane.

There are a great many humans that do not live by 'the facts', but rather live by their perceptions and emotions. Many more, probably, than live by facts or reason. We are a very diversely cognitive species with very diverse methods of grasping and dealing with our own existence.

I think killing people for ANY reason is bad, including even self-preservation. But the world I am living in doesn't care what I think. And doesn't tend to allow me the luxury of being 'right' as an option, in many instances.

I do not oppose diversity if it doesn't Harm others ( Undue harm ), In 2016 ISIS tried to establish a state in the south of my country Battle of Ben Guerdane - Wikipedia, and if my country didn't fight those harmful ideas we would end up like Syria, Its not a solution to watch harmful ideas takeover

 

[PureX]

I do not oppose diversity if it doesn't Harm others ( Undue harm ), In 2016 ISIS tried to establish a state in the south of my country Battle of Ben Guerdane - Wikipedia, and if my country didn't fight those harmful ideas we would end up like Syria, Its not a solution to watch harmful ideas takeover

But what about when the majority of people in an given area or society agree with those ideas? Should the minority be able to overrule them simply because they believe they're factually right?

I think the heart of the problem is that our own sense of self-righteousness, we think, justifies our desire to control the lives and behaviors of others. And that occurs whether we are actually righteous, or not. And then how do we tell, when everyone has different ideas about what's righteous?

 

[stvdv]

One man's "miracle" is another man's "fate", and yet another man's "lucky accident". No one is right or wrong in these assessments;

Wonderfully put

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

Hello everyone,
I hope that you are all having a good day

I m just curious about faiths that doesn't include Rituals or Miracles, I for myself don't believe in the existence of rituals or miracles but i still believe in the hereafter I believe that god created a system for this world and have set a bunch of rules ( physics, math... etc ) so i don't see why he would break them before the judgement day, and i believe in prophets as some kind of knowledgeable persons

Where i live almost every one practice rituals and believes in miracles and if they don't they probably don't believe in god / prophets

I'm curious if similar religions / beliefs exists, i know that there is deism but like i said i believe in prophets and books not like the traditional way but i still believe in them

What do you mean by "ritual"?

Also - why do you consider "miracles" to be events that "break the rules"?

 

[danieldemol]

I never heard of liberal Abrahamic before, do they believe in all "prophets" ?

It is up to the individual liberal to decide for themselves if they believe in Prophets.

There is no orthodoxy in liberalism.

In case it is not clear to you, being a liberal is not necessarily being part of a religion. It’s about finding your own path to God.

 

[CriticalThinking]

But what about when the majority of people in an given area or society agree with those ideas? Should the minority be able to overrule them simply because they believe they're factually right?

I think the heart of the problem is that our own sense of self-righteousness, we think, justifies our desire to control the lives and behaviors of others. And that occurs whether we are actually righteous, or not. And then how do we tell, when everyone has different ideas about what's righteous?

Its not hard to differentiate between what is harmful and what is not, If you see an old man trying to rape a child would you try to stop him or you would say "maybe he is right ?", Same thing when you see people trying to spread the harmful ideas, If the majority in some place agrees that hurting innocent people is not bad that doesn't make it right, IMO Any sane human being can compare two actions and see which one is better.

What do you mean by "ritual"?

Also - why do you consider "miracles" to be events that "break the rules"?

What i mean by rituals is the same meaning in the Dictionary :

rituals : a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.

As an Ex-Sunni "muslim" i was ordered to "pray" / bow 5 times a day and when i grew up i found that what i was doing is pretty much futile because there was no clear wisdom for those movements and their numbers that's why i don't believe in rituals are anymore because they all seems futile

And i mean by miracles those that breaks the rules of physics so badly, like for example a flying horse going to the heavens, I don't know what to call them other than miracles / myths

It is up to the individual liberal to decide for themselves if they believe in Prophets.

There is no orthodoxy in liberalism.

In case it is not clear to you, being a liberal is not necessarily being part of a religion. It’s about finding your own path to God.

I see, But i guess some of them may believe in Rituals and miracles ?

 

[Thief]

Hello everyone,
I hope that you are all having a good day

I m just curious about faiths that doesn't include Rituals or Miracles, I for myself don't believe in the existence of rituals or miracles but i still believe in the hereafter I believe that god created a system for this world and have set a bunch of rules ( physics, math... etc ) so i don't see why he would break them before the judgement day, and i believe in prophets as some kind of knowledgeable persons

Where i live almost every one practice rituals and believes in miracles and if they don't they probably don't believe in god / prophets

I'm curious if similar religions / beliefs exists, i know that there is deism but like i said i believe in prophets and books not like the traditional way but i still believe in them

it maybe we are kindred spirits

I have no religion
no congregation
no practice of ritual or ceremony
no list of prayers
no hat for your head
no rug for your knee

I believe in God because of science
the universe is the effect
God is the Cause

 

[PureX]

it maybe we are kindred spirits

I have no religion
no congregation
no practice of ritual or ceremony
no list of prayers
no hat for your head
no rug for your knee

I believe in God because of science
the universe is the effect
God is the Cause

So, how does this belief in God effect the way you live? No ideology, no group participation, no observances or practices ... what, then?

 

[CriticalThinking]

it maybe we are kindred spirits

I have no religion
no congregation
no practice of ritual or ceremony
no list of prayers
no hat for your head
no rug for your knee

I believe in God because of science
the universe is the effect
God is the Cause

For sure there are similarities

 

[danieldemol]

I see, But i guess some of them may believe in Rituals and miracles ?

Yes, liberalism values individuality, so there is no one who is going to say “you can’t believe in x and still be a liberal”

That being said i’d wager there are less liberal people who believe in rituals and miracles than there are in most if not all Islamic religions.

 

[Thief]

So, how does this belief in God effect the way you live? No ideology, no group participation, no observances or practices ... what, then?

I do have observations
the world that God created....as it is a reflection of it's Creator
and the world of Man.....not so much a reflection of his Creator

and my reflection
what goes on in my thoughts and feelings
my dreams

a portion at a time....I am dropping what my fellow Man holds as standard

hoping to find in myself what heaven may be