Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Educated.
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No such thing as "evolutionists"
- Thread starter Draka
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Educated.
Well, I agree with your first statement. The second statement not so much. The reason being is you aren't taking into account many different factors, such as, what do you mean by creationist? Because actually Thomas Paine was a borderline atheist, although in those days you would never openly admit if you were. Thomas jefferson was a deist, he did not believe in the creation story of genesis. Benjamin franklin was a deist. And in fact most of the founding fathers were deists. And yes some of them were christians of all different denominations. But the other thing you have to keep in mind is the period of time in which these men lived. I firmly believe that by todays standards most of these men would be atheists. So, I agree that this country is great, I disagree that it's the greatest, because how could you make such a broad claim. But this country was founded on secular values. Not christendom.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
And what do you call a creationist with a Phd?
Depends on what the PHD is in.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Selective.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Let me make sure I understand this. I've been in electronics all my life, worked on radar tracking systems, graduated with 4.0 in college, raised two kids, married, gotten great reviews from my employers and the whole time I was irrational?
I wonder if any evolutionists went to a doctor that believed in creation and they operated on them? Wow, irrational with a scaple working on them.
I wonder if any evolutionists went to a doctor that believed in creation and they operated on them? Wow, irrational with a scaple working on them.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
About creationism, yes.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
It doesn't matter if you had a 4.7, and yes you can get a 4.7. Most creationists are rational in every other aspect of their life, except this one. For instance if I told you I just bought a new dog, you could probably take me at my word. It wouldn't need much convincing. Because you know dogs exist and you know people keep them as pets. Plus it's not that important whether or not I lied about something so trivial. However, if I told you I just bought a new fire breathing dragon, I would suspect you would want more evidence that just my word. Because have you ever seen a real fire breathing dragon? And if I started saying things like, "oh, well, my dragon is invisible and only I can see him." You would probably doubt that I had a fire breathing dragon at all. See, ad thats a case where you would ask for rational types of evidence, I'm sure. But, when it comes to matters of the bible, it just seems like there is no amount of evidence that could ever convince a creationist, they are just irrational in that mind set.
McBell
Unbound
wait, does Kent Hovind actually have a Phd, or is that just yet again another one of his lies?
Alceste
Vagabond
Yes, but he snipped it off the back of a box of cracker jacks.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
Cognitive irrelevance is usually not a problem for most people.
Not necessarily. It depends what your exposure has been to biology and evolutionary science. It is irrational to hold a belief despite overwhelming contradictory evidence, but I can't say whether you've examined the evidence. It's not necessarily irrational to hold a belief that's unsupported but unchallenged.
I'd be worried, since a doctor who doesn't believe in evolution also misunderstands issues that are very relevant to medicine today... antibiotic resistant bacteria, for instance.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Hovind claims to possess a masters degree and a doctorate in education from Patriot University in Colorado. According to Hovind, his 250-page dissertation was on the topic of the dangers of teaching evolution in the public schools. Formerly affiliated with Hilltop Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Patriot University is accredited only by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, an accreditation mill that provides accreditation for a $100 charge. Patriot University has moved to Alamosa, Colorado and continues to offer correspondence courses for $15 to $32 per credit. The school's catalog contains course descriptions but no listing of the school's faculty or their credentials. Name It and Frame It lists Patriot University as a degree mill.
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Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
That is different than if millions of people believed in fire breathing dragons, and had experiences with salvation through faith in a fire breathing dragon that came to earth in the appearance of a man and died on a cross for our sins. Most evolutionists that I have seen believe there could be aliens, yet we can't see them. Rational?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Is there something irrational about believing that there could be aliens?
camanintx
Well-Known Member
That is because the existence of aliens is logically coherent, whereas no one has yet to provide a logically coherent definition of any possible creator.
Replace "died on a cross for our sins" with "saved the lives of many sailors in exchange for human sacrifice" and that'd be pretty darn close to Watatsumi, the Japanese dragon sea-god. Millions of people believed in Watatsumi. You can still find Shinto shrines to him.
Depends what you mean by "believe there could be aliens". Are you talking "believe that life may exist on other planets", or are you talking "believe that the crop circle that appeared in Jeb's field last week was probably made by little green men"?
linwood
Well-Known Member
Alceste
Vagabond
All reasonable people accept the fact of evolution, just as all reasonable people accept the fact the world is round (ish). Even MoF accepts the fact of evolution, but calls it "adaptation", or "change" or some such euphemism. (Although because it's trendy in his crowd to deny it, deny it he will.)