Noah's Ark and Other Survivors

[The Sum of Awe]

It's so hard to find any literalists anymore, but then again maybe I just been looking for steak in a garden. I hope to see people who take Noah's Ark literally, or people who don't but care to play the advocate, post in this thread.

Among other questions, this one interests me the most:

How could there have been no other survivors? There had to be a good number of people on the world at the time, enough at least to P.O the big man to the point of remaking humanity.

I just don't see how out of all of those people, nobody else found an object that will float temporarily and in time to make a more reliable surface. Smaller boats must've existed, what happened to them? Wouldn't they have given at least just one out of the other thousands of people enough time to build a much more floatable surface or perhaps hop aboard the ark?

Perhaps this is why there are so many sinful agents in the world, because some descendants of Cain survived to further the genealogy?

 

[Cordoba]

Was it a local flood or a global flood?

One possible answer to your question is that humanity at the time was small in number and concentrated in a small geographical area where the main flood took place.

Kangaroos in Australia for example survived the flood, and they were not known to be on Noah's ark, meaning the flood did not affect Australia as bad as the location where Noah and his people lived...

Makes sense?

 

[suzy smith]

Jehovah's witnesses take the flood story literately. You could talk to them?
The scriptures do seem to say that the water covered the whole earth but the flood story can only be a fairy story.
Mount Everest is 29,029 feet above sea level. That needs a lot of water to cover! And the argument that the mountains were pushed up by the weight of the water does not take into account what would happen to the earth if that were to happen. The tectonic plates move approximately 2 inches a year. If they moved that fast then this world would still be a mass of molten lava and volcanoes.
Add to that the impossibility of having two of every species of land animal on a boat and the story becomes laughable.
Then you find that other cultures before the bible account of the flood had there own flood stories and you can comfortably reject this and all other Bible myths

 

[Tumah]

I'm not sure you can typify me as a literalist in the way a Christian might be. But I do believe the flood happened, covered the world etc. According to Jewish literature, the water of the flood was hot enough to melt the flesh off people's bodies, except around the ark. So I assume, even had someone thought to build themselves a boat, it wouldn't have done much. Also, the texture of the water is described as being slightly congealed. That might have caused difficulties for a normal boat. Also, it was raining pretty heavily for quite some time. Stormy weather has been known to be somewhat difficult for boats.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I just don't see how out of all of those people, nobody else found an object that will float temporarily and in time to make a more reliable surface. Smaller boats must've existed, what happened to them? Wouldn't they have given at least just one out of the other thousands of people enough time to build a much more floatable surface or perhaps hop aboard the ark?

God did a miracle. He probably made a repellant force field around the ark and temporarily removed the quality of floatability from all objects.

 

[Pastek]

Was it a local flood or a global flood?

One possible answer to your question is that humanity at the time was small in number and concentrated in a small geographical area where the main flood took place.

Kangaroos in Australia for example survived the flood, and they were not known to be on Noah's ark, meaning the flood did not affect Australia as bad as the location where Noah and his people lived...

Makes sense?

I think that local or global flood, according to the Quran it seems that only Noah and those saved with him survived.

71.26 And Noah said, "My Lord, do not leave upon the earth from among the disbelievers an inhabitant.
71.27 Indeed, if You leave them, they will mislead Your servants and not beget except [every] wicked one and [confirmed] disbeliever.

And i think somewhere it was said the we were created from another people or something like that, but i can't remember the verse.

It's so hard to find any literalists anymore, but then again maybe I just been looking for steak in a garden. I hope to see people who take Noah's Ark literally, or people who don't but care to play the advocate, post in this thread.

Almost all muslims take it literally.

 

[Shiranui117]

It's so hard to find any literalists anymore, but then again maybe I just been looking for steak in a garden. I hope to see people who take Noah's Ark literally, or people who don't but care to play the advocate, post in this thread.

Among other questions, this one interests me the most:

How could there have been no other survivors? There had to be a good number of people on the world at the time, enough at least to P.O the big man to the point of remaking humanity.

I just don't see how out of all of those people, nobody else found an object that will float temporarily and in time to make a more reliable surface. Smaller boats must've existed, what happened to them? Wouldn't they have given at least just one out of the other thousands of people enough time to build a much more floatable surface or perhaps hop aboard the ark?

Perhaps this is why there are so many sinful agents in the world, because some descendants of Cain survived to further the genealogy?

I'm ambivalent on the subject of how big the flood really was. It could have been local or regional; that'd be the most logical thing. But there is the fact that so many cultures all around the world believed in a global flood... Maybe at some point, during humanity's primitive stages where we were only a small population concentrated in one part of the world, there was a flood that wiped most of us out? I remember reading about a population bottleneck on Wiki a while back. The flood myths and the theory of a catastrophe could have something to do with each other, IDK.

Population bottleneck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rusra02]

It's so hard to find any literalists anymore, but then again maybe I just been looking for steak in a garden. I hope to see people who take Noah's Ark literally, or people who don't but care to play the advocate, post in this thread.

Among other questions, this one interests me the most:

How could there have been no other survivors? There had to be a good number of people on the world at the time, enough at least to P.O the big man to the point of remaking humanity.

I just don't see how out of all of those people, nobody else found an object that will float temporarily and in time to make a more reliable surface. Smaller boats must've existed, what happened to them? Wouldn't they have given at least just one out of the other thousands of people enough time to build a much more floatable surface or perhaps hop aboard the ark?

Perhaps this is why there are so many sinful agents in the world, because some descendants of Cain survived to further the genealogy?

Jesus believed the Flood account is literal and so do millions of true Christians. So I find it odd you are having trouble finding them. Even if some did float for a time on boats or other things, what would they have eaten for the long period the Flood waters overwhelmed the Earth? Consider too, the Deluge was not just rain. It was cataclysmic divine judgment from our Creator. No land-based living thing survived, as Genesis 7:21,22 reports.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Jesus believed the Flood account is literal and so do millions of true Christians.

Are they Scottish too?

 

[Tumah]

Are they Scottish too?

Only if they have all the characteristics that I believe a true Scotsman really has.

 

[arcanum]

The flood story is a perfect example of why one shouldn't take everything in the bible as literal.

 

[rusra02]

Jehovah's witnesses take the flood story literately. You could talk to them?
The scriptures do seem to say that the water covered the whole earth but the flood story can only be a fairy story.
Mount Everest is 29,029 feet above sea level. That needs a lot of water to cover! And the argument that the mountains were pushed up by the weight of the water does not take into account what would happen to the earth if that were to happen. The tectonic plates move approximately 2 inches a year. If they moved that fast then this world would still be a mass of molten lava and volcanoes.
Add to that the impossibility of having two of every species of land animal on a boat and the story becomes laughable.
Then you find that other cultures before the bible account of the flood had there own flood stories and you can comfortably reject this and all other Bible myths

No one alive today can say with certainty what effects the Flood had on earth's topography. Skeptics fail to take into account that Earth's Creator can certainly control the natural forces he himself created. Further, the Bible does not say two of every "species" were carried aboard the ark, but two of every "kind". So, for example, one pair of the dog "kind" would be sufficient to produce numerous dog "species". The fact that so many cultures have flood legends indicates, to me, that this event remained in mankind's collective memory, although the facts were corrupted by time and false worship.

 

[arcanum]

No one alive today can say with certainty what effects the Flood had on earth's topography. Skeptics fail to take into account that Earth's Creator can certainly control the natural forces he himself created. Further, the Bible does not say two of every "species" were carried aboard the ark, but two of every "kind". So, for example, one pair of the dog "kind" would be sufficient to produce numerous dog "species". The fact that so many cultures have flood legends indicates, to me, that this event remained in mankind's collective memory, although the facts were corrupted by time and false worship.

There probably was a great flood, as you point out many cultures have reported a variation of this story so it probably has some basis in fact. But it certainly didn't go down the way it was recorded in the Genesis account. The account is way too implausible to be taken literally.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

The fact that so many cultures have flood legends indicates, to me, that this event remained in mankind's collective memory, although the facts were corrupted by time and false worship.

Where can I find a Flood Story with the uncorrupted facts? I would like to read it.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Where can I find a Flood Story with the uncorrupted facts? I would like to read it.

Genesis.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

In other myth Norea survives the flood because she was super b****y to the Archons who planned the flood, so they Aeons saved her from their evil plans.

And in other myths Gog who is a giant straps himself to the ark just as the fllod begins and hitches a ride.

 

[Tumah]

In other myth Norea survives the flood because she was super b****y to the Archons who planned the flood, so they Aeons saved her from their evil plans.

And in other myths Gog who is a giant straps himself to the ark just as the fllod begins and hitches a ride.

That's Og, not Gog.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

That's Og, not Gog.

Og or Gog...who cares. All the Nephillim look the same to me.

 

[nazz]

Jehovah's witnesses take the flood story literately. You could talk to them?
The scriptures do seem to say that the water covered the whole earth but the flood story can only be a fairy story.
Mount Everest is 29,029 feet above sea level. That needs a lot of water to cover! And the argument that the mountains were pushed up by the weight of the water does not take into account what would happen to the earth if that were to happen. The tectonic plates move approximately 2 inches a year. If they moved that fast then this world would still be a mass of molten lava and volcanoes.
Add to that the impossibility of having two of every species of land animal on a boat and the story becomes laughable.
Then you find that other cultures before the bible account of the flood had there own flood stories and you can comfortably reject this and all other Bible myths

Gen 7:20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.

The Sumerian cubit was 20.42 inches meaning the water went up about 25 feet. A little shy I'd say.

 

[Skwim]

It's so hard to find any literalists anymore, but then again maybe I just been looking for steak in a garden. I hope to see people who take Noah's Ark literally, or people who don't but care to play the advocate, post in this thread.

Among other questions, this one interests me the most:

How could there have been no other survivors? There had to be a good number of people on the world at the time, enough at least to P.O the big man to the point of remaking humanity.

I just don't see how out of all of those people, nobody else found an object that will float temporarily and in time to make a more reliable surface. Smaller boats must've existed, what happened to them? Wouldn't they have given at least just one out of the other thousands of people enough time to build a much more floatable surface or perhaps hop aboard the ark?

Perhaps this is why there are so many sinful agents in the world, because some descendants of Cain survived to further the genealogy?

Hey, if you're going to buy into the global flood you're committed to buying into everything else in the story. Can't pick and choose.