Noahs ark and the food chain

[bossbozz]

Lets say, for arguments sake, that the flood did happen and Noah took 2 of each unclean animal and 14 of each clean animal aboard the ark for a year and somehow they all managed to miraculously survive until the water level dropped.

How then would these animals survive after the flood? Surely those that graze would have little to no vegetation left after the flood to graze upon and die? Even if they didn't die then there would still not be enough prey available for the carnivorous animals to survive. 14 lions would make short work of 14 gazelles (which usually rely on their large numbers to keep safe by lowering the probability of being caught)

An event like this would pretty much destroy the food chain.

Thoughts?

 

[johnhanks]

Thoughts?

No, thoughts are inadmissible here. There's a danger they might distract believers from the dogma. Then where would they be?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Suspension of disbelief is generally required when reading fantasy fiction.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Suspension of disbelief is generally required when reading fantasy fiction.

A little cognitive dissonance doesn't hurt either.

 

[bossbozz]

Wow, this one seems to have stumped the creationists!

 

[Madhuri]

And what in the world did they eat while on the ship?

 

[enchanted_one1975]

They all ate fish, before and after. This sure hurt the worm population though.

 

[gnostic]

Suspension of disbelief is generally required when reading fantasy fiction.

Even in fantasy fiction, an author, especially good ones, would have work out something that would take into account what he or she have written.

The bible authors, on the other hand, ignore it as important, hoping that people are ignorant enough to believe.

 

[Nepenthe]

Lets say, for arguments sake, that the flood did happen and Noah took 2 of each unclean animal and 14 of each clean animal aboard the ark for a year and somehow they all managed to miraculously survive until the water level dropped.

How then would these animals survive after the flood? Surely those that graze would have little to no vegetation left after the flood to graze upon and die? Even if they didn't die then there would still not be enough prey available for the carnivorous animals to survive. 14 lions would make short work of 14 gazelles (which usually rely on their large numbers to keep safe by lowering the probability of being caught)

An event like this would pretty much destroy the food chain.

Thoughts?

All of the animals before and shortly after the flood were vegetarians. Plant life was wiped out by the flood but Noah waited until the vegetation had started to regrow (Gen. 8:8-8:17) so his menagerie could survive until God made them carnivores. This and the surplus food on the ark were sufficient to keep the animals alive (remember, the animals all went into a deep hibernation after boarding the ark so the food and fresh water requirements godless secular atheist Darwinists claim was needed is exaggerated).

Or they were Breatharians. I dunno. Make some ad hoc **** up and go with it.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Even if they can explain the animals, what about the people? How is one man's family going to repopulate the earth without someone screwing their sister? Isn't incest a sin?

 

[bossbozz]

All of the animals before and shortly after the flood were vegetarians. Plant life was wiped out by the flood but Noah waited until the vegetation had started to regrow (Gen. 8:8-8:17) so his menagerie could survive until God made them carnivores. This and the surplus food on the ark were sufficient to keep the animals alive (remember, the animals all went into a deep hibernation after boarding the ark so the food and fresh water requirements godless secular atheist Darwinists claim was needed is exaggerated).

Or they were Breatharians. I dunno. Make some ad hoc **** up and go with it.

Yeah I've read that all the animals were herbivores but this also creates more problems. Firstly that the stomach contents of ancient animals have been analysed and found to show that they had a carnivorous diet and also the issue of over grazing would arise being that all the animals would be stuck on the same patch of land on top of a mountain. This would lead to a kind of tragedy of the commons type scenario. Quickly reproducing pests like the desert locust would flourish with a lack of natural predators and form devastating swarms that could eat up to 200 tonnes of vegetation per day.

 

[LittleNipper]

Lets say, for arguments sake, that the flood did happen and Noah took 2 of each unclean animal and 14 of each clean animal aboard the ark for a year and somehow they all managed to miraculously survive until the water level dropped.

How then would these animals survive after the flood? Surely those that graze would have little to no vegetation left after the flood to graze upon and die? Even if they didn't die then there would still not be enough prey available for the carnivorous animals to survive. 14 lions would make short work of 14 gazelles (which usually rely on their large numbers to keep safe by lowering the probability of being caught)

An event like this would pretty much destroy the food chain.

Thoughts?

Actually, GOD seems to have punished the serpent with having to eat dust, right after telling Adam & Eve that they would return to dust... The idea to me being that before the FALL, none of the animals ate other animals. After the FALL, some animals ate dead animals.... Noah is told by GOD that he could eat animals only after the FLOOD. It is not known if men were eating animals before the FLOOD, but it is likely that some at least were, considering the violence that GOD spoke of when getting ready to have the FLOOD.

All this aside, I feel that the FLOOD was a supernatural event. Yes, I do believe it left signs. Yes, I feel those signs have been twisted by satanic influences to one degree or another. That said, I know that the animals on the ARK were selected by GOD for the trip. I feel that GOD likely caused the animals to hibernate and kept them calm during their voyage.

None of this seems out of keeping with anything the Bible has to offer concerning SALVATION, RESURRECTION, and ETERNITY. It all involves GOD.

 

[RedOne77]

Actually, GOD seems to have punished the serpent with having to eat dust, right after telling Adam & Eve that they would return to dust... The idea to me being that before the FALL, none of the animals ate other animals. After the FALL, some animals ate dead animals.... Noah is told by GOD that he could eat animals only after the FLOOD. It is not known if men were eating animals before the FLOOD, but it is likely that some at least were, considering the violence that GOD spoke of when getting ready to have the FLOOD.

"I the LORD do not change." Malachi 3:6
"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

If there was such an abhorrence to eating animals as to make God flood the world, I doubt God would sanction the killing of animals for food at any time period. Other than that, keep it up.

 

[Nepenthe]

Yeah I've read that all the animals were herbivores but this also creates more problems. Firstly that the stomach contents of ancient animals have been analysed and found to show that they had a carnivorous diet and also the issue of over grazing would arise being that all the animals would be stuck on the same patch of land on top of a mountain. This would lead to a kind of tragedy of the commons type scenario. Quickly reproducing pests like the desert locust would flourish with a lack of natural predators and form devastating swarms that could eat up to 200 tonnes of vegetation per day.

Yep. Even if a viable breeding population survived the flood's aftermath the bottlenecking and subsequent genetic drift would doom the species to extinction very quickly.

 

[LittleNipper]

"I the LORD do not change." Malachi 3:6
"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

If there was such an abhorrence to eating animals as to make God flood the world, I doubt God would sanction the killing of animals for food at any time period. Other than that, keep it up.

Well, what is the LAW? The LAW hinges on Luke 10:27 And he answering said, 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of all thy soul, and out of all thy strength, and out of all thy understanding, and thy neighbour as thyself.'

GOD allows some things, but that is HIS permissive will and not HIS will of design. And also remember that GOD set up blood sacrifices pointing to the LAMB of GOD who would take away the sins of the world...

 

[LittleNipper]

Yep. Even if a viable breeding population survived the flood's aftermath the bottlenecking and subsequent genetic drift would doom the species to extinction very quickly.

And did not GOD provide for your thought by having Noah's three son's and their wives? And what difference is there between clean and unclean animals. As I remember --- the seventh animal was sacrificed to the LORD ---- according to the Bible.

 

[Nepenthe]

And did not GOD provide for your thought by having Noah's three son's and their wives? And what difference is there between clean and unclean animals. As I remember --- the seventh animal was sacrificed to the LORD ---- according to the Bible.

You are so adorable in thinking that this is a relevant meaningful response to my post. You are absolutely precious! I could just put you in my handbag and parade you all around town!

 

[Man of Faith]

The Biblical story has a dove bringing back an olive branch to Noah, so from that we can deduce that all the vegetation didn't die. We know that vegetation lives underwater and the sun can shine underwater. Also there are floating forests today so that is another possiblity.

 

[Nepenthe]

The Biblical story has a dove bringing back an olive branch to Noah, so from that we can deduce that all the vegetation didn't die. We know that vegetation lives underwater and the sun can shine underwater. Also there are floating forests today so that is another possiblity.

There's room for two!

 

[bossbozz]

The Biblical story has a dove bringing back an olive branch to Noah, so from that we can deduce that all the vegetation didn't die. We know that vegetation lives underwater and the sun can shine underwater. Also there are floating forests today so that is another possiblity.

Vegetation does exist underwater but it has to be above the aphotic zone to be able to photosynthesize. The aphotic zone starts at about 660 ft. If Noah ended up on top of mount Ararat then the flood waters must have been higher than that mountain which is nearly 17000ft at its highest point. So underwater vegetation could exist only on top of the highest mountains which would mean it would be very limited.

Until now I have never heard of a floating forest, from what I can gather they are a YEC theory but none exist today?