Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Yet, this has no bearing on the fact that they didn't, in fact, find "Noah's Ark."
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Noah's Ark found?
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Yet, this has no bearing on the fact that they didn't, in fact, find "Noah's Ark."
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
And this is a fact because?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Because it conforms with reality.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Interesting. An old boat found in an area where the Bible says an old boat should be found doen't conform with reality how?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
If you don't know by now, there's no help for you.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Cop out.
.lava
Veteran Member
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
OK so why are they being so secret about their data/location etc? Surly they would want to share such a find with all of the world? If they are 99% sure it's really Noah's arc, why not share their wood samples and other evidence with the scientific community and allow their results to be peer reviewed and confirmed? That would put the dispute to rest once and for all. Why hide your evidence if you have nothing to hide?
Gee if their claims are correct, talk about Noble prize!
Gee if their claims are correct, talk about Noble prize!
I love when YEC kooks like John Morris and Randall Price weigh in on the issue- per Price:
I hate to say it but Price is likely correct. Yes, he sank 10 grand into the expedition and wants it back but he was also present for the Chinese expeditions in '08 and since then there have been rumours that the wood was trucked in and planted by locals to encourage expedition money to keep pouring in. These Noah's ark hoaxes have a long history and will likely persist:
Noah's Ark remains discovered: Previous Noah's Ark hoaxes | Metro.co.uk
Noah's Ark remains discovered: Previous Noah's Ark hoaxes | Metro.co.uk
Circle_One
Well-Known Member
Because, as I said, it could just as easily be one of the other many arks fashioned in the other deluge myths, on the advice of Gods, found throughout mythology.
Why would it, then, automatically be Noah's?
Wotan
Active Member
From the link:
"A group of Kurdish workers are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film,
"A group of Kurdish workers are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film,
Circle_One
Well-Known Member
Absolutely interesting regardless of what it is! I just fear that it's interests, and whatever real secrets it holds will be lost amongst the outpouring of cries of "See! It is the Ark! This proves our religion is right and all you other heretics are going to hell!!"
It's not like Ararat is the only place Noah's ark has been alleged to reside. Theophilus was the first to pinpoint a resting place for the ark's remains which he placed it in the ambiguous "Arabian mountains", though he was likely referring to Mount Qardo. Berossus placed it in the Gordyaen hills and the Book of Jubilees says Ararat, specifically the mountain Lubar (Jubilees 5:28). The Durupinar site is another purported location for the ark- though it's actually just a geological formation. Point being none of these ark location claims are new and nothing even remotely scientifically substantial has been presented to support the claims.
The focus on Ararat has a tradition going back to the 4th cent. with St. Jacob, who was the first to allegedly retrieve a physical specimen from the ark (actually an angel did all the work but Jacob takes all the credit). Modern ark claims on Ararat really started in the 19th cent. with flood literalist Friedrich Parrot who was the first person to reach the summit of Mt. Ararat. He found nothing, but claimed that this was because the ark was "buried under ice." Like most ark claims lack of evidence is just more confirmation of their faith.
Since the mid-19th century several expeditions have traveled up the summit and left wooden crosses (as did Colonel Khodozko with his 60 Russian soldiers in 1850), not to mention the wood hauled up for burning, cooking, etc. So random pieces of wood found on the mountain aren't unusual. But the hoaxes are also well known. George Jammal's now infamous prank is an example of someone who intentionally set out to deceive. Most arkeological claims seem to be a combination of pious wishful thinking coupled with self delusion and probably a healthy dose of outright lying to protect the dogma. I'm betting this latest ark hoax is wooden fragments and wooden beams that were planted during the 2008 expedition and fraudsters like Noah's Ark Ministries Intl. concocted the whole thing.
The video evidence is dubious at best:
[youtube]AGIUfWXvwJI[/youtube]
And check out the pics! That wood looks nothing like the white fossilized samples the Chinese expedition presented to the media in the news conferences (the examples start at .35 on the first video):
[youtube]XAF-gB37Azw[/youtube]
[youtube]6wrBLXcFGeM[/youtube]
The focus on Ararat has a tradition going back to the 4th cent. with St. Jacob, who was the first to allegedly retrieve a physical specimen from the ark (actually an angel did all the work but Jacob takes all the credit). Modern ark claims on Ararat really started in the 19th cent. with flood literalist Friedrich Parrot who was the first person to reach the summit of Mt. Ararat. He found nothing, but claimed that this was because the ark was "buried under ice." Like most ark claims lack of evidence is just more confirmation of their faith.
Since the mid-19th century several expeditions have traveled up the summit and left wooden crosses (as did Colonel Khodozko with his 60 Russian soldiers in 1850), not to mention the wood hauled up for burning, cooking, etc. So random pieces of wood found on the mountain aren't unusual. But the hoaxes are also well known. George Jammal's now infamous prank is an example of someone who intentionally set out to deceive. Most arkeological claims seem to be a combination of pious wishful thinking coupled with self delusion and probably a healthy dose of outright lying to protect the dogma. I'm betting this latest ark hoax is wooden fragments and wooden beams that were planted during the 2008 expedition and fraudsters like Noah's Ark Ministries Intl. concocted the whole thing.
The video evidence is dubious at best:
[youtube]AGIUfWXvwJI[/youtube]
And check out the pics! That wood looks nothing like the white fossilized samples the Chinese expedition presented to the media in the news conferences (the examples start at .35 on the first video):
[youtube]XAF-gB37Azw[/youtube]
[youtube]6wrBLXcFGeM[/youtube]
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I don't disagree. I am questioning it being a "fact" that it is not Noah's ark.
McBell
Unbound
I would be most interested in seeing the proof that it is "Noah's Ark".
I mean, did Noah sign it?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie