Before Christianity there was thousands of years of that the Mosaic law was in effect. The Hebrew OT Scriptures were completed hundreds of years before Jesus came to earth. Jesus used those ancient Hebrew writings that were part of the Mosaic law as his source when he referred to the Golden Rule. That is what Jesus meant at Matt 7:12 by the 'law' and 'prophets'. Jesus meant the Mosaic law and the ancient Hebrew prophets of old.
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Noahs Ark
- Thread starter zodiacseven
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Before Christianity there was thousands of years of that the Mosaic law was in effect. The Hebrew OT Scriptures were completed hundreds of years before Jesus came to earth. Jesus used those ancient Hebrew writings that were part of the Mosaic law as his source when he referred to the Golden Rule. That is what Jesus meant at Matt 7:12 by the 'law' and 'prophets'. Jesus meant the Mosaic law and the ancient Hebrew prophets of old.
What Scriptures show about 300 years down the time line?
Didn't Adam live over 900 years?
Didn't the oldest person live before the Flood?
shortfade2
Active Member
hmm.... yeah, you are probably right, I was thinking Abraham, not Noah
Amill
Apikoros
What exactly counts as a dog? Is it the entire Canidae family? Or is it separated into smaller subgroups that were taken aboard? Do foxes qualify as part of the dog group? Or is it more by Genus? African wild dogs and raccoon dogs are not classified as true dogs btw. Canidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So what about apes? Did he take aboard an ancestor to all apes or ancestors of lesser apes, and ones of greater apes(excluding humans obviously)?
And we can find places in history where the "golden rule" pops up without the influence of either the OT or the NT.
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Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Certainly not in what you quoted me.
Deuteronomy 10:12-13
12 And now, O Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, 13 and to observe the LORD's commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good?
Which is most definitely not the Golden Rule. And a bit of contradiction as 1 John 4:18 says "There is no fear in love", no?
Isaiah 1:16-17
16 wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds
out of my sight!
Stop doing wrong,
17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed. [a]
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.
Which is slightly better than the Deuteronomy quote, but still not the Golden Rule.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
1 John 4:18 in its entirety: "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
Yet in Deuteronomy, God commands us to fear him. And love him at the same time.
Edit: Are we going to play the "mistranslation" game? Or the "out-of-context" game?
Yet in Deuteronomy, God commands us to fear him. And love him at the same time.
Edit: Are we going to play the "mistranslation" game? Or the "out-of-context" game?
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is embodied in the law.
Agree, there is not a direct quote and I should have brought that out.
How can one observe God's will of Deut. chapter ten without neighbor love?
Isn't seeking justice also showing love of neighbor.
Lev (19:34) Love the stranger as yourself embodies the Golden Rule.
See also verses 35, 36,14,15 about using honest weights to measure.
Lev (19:18) love neighbor as self.
Isn't love of neighbor doing to another as you would want done to you?
Fear of God is to have reverential fear of displeasing God.
In that same sense, wouldn't a child that loves its parent fear displeasing him out of love?
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
It really seems as if you are grasping for straws here. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you're trying to convey. That's a possibility. But you said there was no direct quote, but it was "embodied" in the law, whatever that may mean.
God's grocery list of random rules do not sum up or "embody" the Golden Rule in my opinion.
Bware
I'm the Jugganaut!!
Okay so how did all these kinds that are regionaly separated get to their various regions? Ex: Kangaroos only live in Australia, Rhinos africa. Did Noah make a bunch of stops after he landed on Mt Ararat? Or did he drop them off in the water over Australia and teach them to swim till the waters receded?
Bware
I'm the Jugganaut!!
That's nice, but it has nothing at all to do with the OP or my post.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Insightful and valid.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
What on earth are you talking about? Are you trying to assert that Christians are in some way more successful than non-Christians?
What do you mean, "It works for life?"
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
As well as obtuse.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I'll use simple words for you. People use the Bible as a guide for their lives and have it work for them.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Are you talking about anecdotes, or some kind of data? Are you asserting that people who use the Bible as a guide for their lives have better lives than people who don't?
Because other people decide to stop using the Bible as a guide for their lives, and that works for them.
Furthermore, some people "using the Bible as a guide" live one way, and others, also "using the Bible as a guide" live the opposite way, so that's really pretty meaningless. For example, Jerry Falwell and Barack Obama both use the Bible as a guide. So do Rev. Fred Phelps and Elder Troy Perry. They're all using the same Bible, but living their lives in opposite ways. So it would be really odd if they all got the same results, wouldn't it?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I suggest you follow the post back to the origin of my statement. It's pretty self explanatory. If you have trouble following it...well...too bad.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Other people use the Qur'an as a guide for their lives and have it work for them.
Other people use Dianetics as a guide for their lives and have it work for them.
Other people use Cosmopolitan and Oprah as a guide for their lives and have it work for them.
Other people don't use any book or source as a guide for their lives and have it work for them.
Nothing amazing about how well any guide that people use works.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
No, I'm not having trouble following you. You seem to be having trouble producing any data in support of your assertion, but that is not unusual.
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
"Kinds" is a biblical term, it is not a scientific term, it's used to cover the fact that all the animals on the planet would never fit on this Ark, so a term was invented, "kinds" in order to make this impossible event appear as though it could actually happen. The fact is IT NEVER HAPPENED.
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
Is that not part of totalitarianism, being convicted of thought crimes? Can you not think of Big Brother, when you think of how certain religions operate? I am angered by how the young developing mind is bombarded with these Big Brotherish concepts. I think my favorite quote is "I was religious until I reached the age of reason."