sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
What do you base this on?
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Noahs Ark
- Thread starter zodiacseven
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Well look at the States. Pretty much any city of size has water running through it or near it. How do you think that happened? Better yet, why do you think that is?
footprints
Well-Known Member
This is based on archaeological and sociology records as they pertain to investigating hunters and gatherers still in existance to date.
jtartar
Well-Known Member
zodiacseven,
The Bible explains that the great monsters were created in the fifth day, and the start of the sixth day Gen 1:20-25. Adam and Eve were created at the end of the sixth day,, so it is possible that the great monsters could have died out by the time of Adam and Eve.
There is also a very interesting scenerio. Did you know that there has been found skeletons of what were supposed to be prehistoric beasts that have not fully turned to stone, fossilized. This means that it is possible that some of the great monsters were alive at the time of Noah. The flood came 1,656 years after Adam was created, or the year 2370BC. Adam was created in 4026BC.
The date of the fall of Babylon in 537 BC is what is called a Pivotal date, a date accepted as accurate by secular and religious authorities. From this date, time can be accurately counted, both forward and back in time, through Bible records.
It is possible that some of what we call monsters were on the Ark. Of course they would probable have been very young, small, or eggs for some.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
So, modern hunter-gatherers believe local floods to be global?
footprints
Well-Known Member
Simply put, yes they did, albeit due to modern knowledge they now understand the world is bigger than their own land.
If something is not known to a person, it cannot be known. To the Australian aboriginal as one example, Australia was all there was. In another example, people did once believe the world was flat, this doesn't mean they were stupid, by pure observation, the world does look flat, give or take a few hills and mountains, so their knowledge at the time was completely justified, and completely reasonable. It is only our greater knowledge which can make them appear stupid, albeit it would be only an inane person who would say they were stupid and not report them as the intelligent people they were.
It pertains to human perception. Human perception influences our judgement.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Can you present the evidence for this claim?
Again, what evidence is there to show that man and, I'm assuming you mean dinosaurs, walked with man?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
So again, why did the Egyptians, Chinese and others fail to notice that they were under water?
That's far too logical, silly!!:slap: You really need to work on your imagination!:yes:
McBell
Unbound
They did notice it.
They are just in denial...
footprints
Well-Known Member
Now Auto, under any sort of reasoned argument or position, I cannot rationally, nor logically say a deity exists or doesn't exist, nor could you if you maintain a reasoned position. For a person of Faith, they will have an answer one way or the other, that either a deity exists or a deity doesn't exist.
Now let us assume that the people who put their faith in a deity exists, are correct. According to some, this deity is all powerful, capable of anything. Certainly removing any evidence of a litteral world wide flood, wouldn't be a problem to a deity who could do anything. As the story goes, all but Noah and family were wiped out, so how would anybody know if a flood occured or not. For a deity capable of anything, replacing the population of the world after such a flood, would be a piece of cake, correcting a mistake, the bible doesn't say this didn't happen.
No you must be mistakin Mestemia, they were no where near de nile.
Hmmm the Chinese that is...
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McBell
Unbound
Yeah, well I never was any good at geometry...:no:No you must be mistakin Mestemia, they were no where near de nile.
Hmmm the Chinese that is...
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Maybe they were paid to keep quiet - cash on denial.
And I'm sure you have such documents, duly dated Jan 15, 2370? Oh, don't forget the
BC or BCE. The methods to date artifacts from the past are not reliable. Therefore, the dates from these methods are also not reliable. Myths and fables begin with 'Once upon a time...' The Bible describes the global Deluge in considerable detail, and provides dates. Upon examination, the 'evidence' against a global flood does not hold up. Still, I can understand why some do not want to believe it happened. The implications are unthinkable to those who want to believe there is no God or who want to believe we are not accountable to Him.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Who needs dated documents? The simple continuity of ancient civilisations is enough. Don't you think that the complete extermination of, say, Egyptian civilisation, and its re-starting by presumed descendants of Noah, would have left just the teeniest archaeological blip? There has been a city on the site of Jericho since about 8000 BCE: why are there no traces of its inundation by floodwater?
The familiar burden of evidence error. No-one has to provide evidence against the flood; we need only point out the complete absence of evidence for it - evidence which, if the flood actually happened, should be abundant.
LOL me needder.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
This is perfect. Unfortunately people like that just don't get it. We don't even know to point out the fact that civilizations were still living through said flood. No archeologist, that I know of, agrees with the biblical claim of a WWF. They do point out that over time in various locations we've seen local flooding in various locations around the word.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Im sorry...
Maybe the dinosours had already died in the ice age and the humans came after?Wait a minute was there an ice age?
Umm think think tink...
Maybe there was not that many kinds of animals around at the time .And after Noah was the only human left on earth more animals evolved..(wait can we have evolving ?).
The lesson? I think Noah is a story of sacrifice and being ridculed and mocked and had "knowledge" from being warned and nobody else would take him serioulsy so he in good faith packed up his family and what animals he could bring and saved his family on a little raft.
He swam against the tides and did what he believed right and heeded warnings that no one else believed and he faired better.
Maybe he was the local weather man ..maybe he was in touch with God to get that extended 7 day forecast I dont know.
But it reminds me of modern times.WARNING EVACUATE Hurricane so and so to hit your area in 5 days!!!!
Most leave..But you see them.."Im not leaving my home! we will RIDE IT OUT!".Then when the hurricane hits the cardbooard signs that were hanging that said "I dare you HUGO or ANDREW" are smashed and flaoting around and the people are saying "HELP ..we need HELP".
Maybe the story of Noah is about using your brain.Heeding a warning.
But I dont know.
Love
Dallas
Maybe the dinosours had already died in the ice age and the humans came after?Wait a minute was there an ice age?
Umm think think tink...
Maybe there was not that many kinds of animals around at the time .And after Noah was the only human left on earth more animals evolved..(wait can we have evolving ?).
The lesson? I think Noah is a story of sacrifice and being ridculed and mocked and had "knowledge" from being warned and nobody else would take him serioulsy so he in good faith packed up his family and what animals he could bring and saved his family on a little raft.
He swam against the tides and did what he believed right and heeded warnings that no one else believed and he faired better.
Maybe he was the local weather man ..maybe he was in touch with God to get that extended 7 day forecast I dont know.
But it reminds me of modern times.WARNING EVACUATE Hurricane so and so to hit your area in 5 days!!!!
Most leave..But you see them.."Im not leaving my home! we will RIDE IT OUT!".Then when the hurricane hits the cardbooard signs that were hanging that said "I dare you HUGO or ANDREW" are smashed and flaoting around and the people are saying "HELP ..we need HELP".
Maybe the story of Noah is about using your brain.Heeding a warning.
But I dont know.
Love
Dallas