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Non-Christians go to Hell

Forgemaster

Forgemaster

Heretic
InChrist said:
Actually, it's not that complicated. Rather than depend on any preacher or minister to preach or share the right thing read the scriptures yourself asking God to reveal the truth concerning Jesus or anything else of spiritual importance. If you are sincere and God wants you to be saved, which I believe He does, then He certainly will be faithful to respond and give your reason for to know and believe.
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It actually is that complicated. Your own statement proves that. You can be sincere all you want but if your God doesn't like you then your done for. So it really has nothing to do with anyone, god has favorites and isn't as loving as he claims to be.
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
roger1440 said:
With nearly 30,000 verses to work with and about a 2,000 year old church history, it’s easy to condone or condemn homosexuality.

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I'm a bit confused as to your method of argument in this thread, it's so ambiguous.

You have yourself labeled as Christian. Are you defending Christianity or pointing out the discrepancies and misinterpretations as you see them?

I've been gone a year and am not familiar with your posting style so I'm asking for clarification because you're new to me. Thanks for any help.
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
Laika said:
I'm not a christian, so you take what I say with a pinch of salt.

If it were me, I would read the bible from cover to cover. That is the original text from which (most?) christian denominations are supposed to come from. the rest is accepting that there is alot of scope for interpretation. Accepting that we can not be 100% sure on which interpretation would necessarily be Gods one is probably an aspect of a persons faith. the more we know about a religion, the less likely we are to be certian of it. in a way that is a reflection of "gods greatness" in that we are only such a small fraction of the universe and cannot cliam to be omniscient of it. we can't know gods purpose and that is why faith is necessary.

There was a story I was taught at primary school that might help. I don't know if its in the bible, but it did stick with me.

its about someone walking with god on a beach, and he asks about why there is only one set of footprints when his faith is tested. God replies, "thats when I was carrying you".
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roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
Buttercup said:
I'm a bit confused as to your method of argument in this thread, it's so ambiguous.

You have yourself labeled as Christian. Are you defending Christianity or pointing out the discrepancies and misinterpretations as you see them?

I've been gone a year and am not familiar with your posting style so I'm asking for clarification because you're new to me. Thanks for any help.
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Everything we write on this forum is autobiographical. Am I condoning or condemning specific interpretations? It would depend on the interpretation. Am I a Christian? It would depend on how one defines a Christian. I do not believe some hot Jewish chick got knocked up by God nearly 2000 years ago. In the minds of many Christians I am not a Christian.
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
roger1440 said:
Everything we write on this forum is autobiographical. Am I condoning or condemning specific interpretations? It would depend on the interpretation. Am I a Christian? It would depend on how one defines a Christian. I do not believe some hot Jewish chick got knocked up by God nearly 2000 years ago. In the minds of many Christians I am not a Christian.
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Thanks. That gives me a start as to your viewpoint.

Is there anything in particular you want to debate regarding your OP? For example, is belief in and worship of Christ necessary, in your opinion, to go to heaven? Or, do you even believe in heaven or hell?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Forgemaster said:
It actually is that complicated. Your own statement proves that. You can be sincere all you want but if your God doesn't like you then your done for. So it really has nothing to do with anyone, god has favorites and isn't as loving as he claims to be.
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Your idea that God has favorites or likes some and doesn't like others is incorrect according to the biblical scriptures which say that ..."The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is patient toward us,and not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9) and that " God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."( John 3:16)

... God is love (1 John 4:8)

What does it mean that God is love?
http://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-love.html
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
roger1440 said:
Some people do just that. They come up with this.
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True, some people, in fact many people over the years have come up their own twist on the scriptures. Does that mean the scriptures themselves are invalid because people do this? I believe it is important to personally look to Christ and the scriptures, being willing to submit to and seek truth from these alone.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
InChrist said:
Why not? The scriptures confirm their validity and life giving truth to all who sincerely seek to know.
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And most religious also make such a claim, so on which basis is one to choose which set of scriptures is correct?

To me, any view that God would condemn to eternal punishment a well-meaning person trying to live a moral life but just happens to belong a "wrong religion" is simply illogical, and if hypothetically true, it puts God into the position of being a homicidal maniac who kills the innocent.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Why not? The scriptures confirm their validity and life giving truth to all who sincerely seek to know.
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Who says, YOU? You'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the scriptures confirm their validity and life giving truth. PLUS, show why "sincerely seeking to know" works. Why should anyone go to the trouble of seeking unless you can prove its results? All in all it comes down to your say-so. Hardly anything to hang one's hat on.
 
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Forgemaster

Forgemaster

Heretic
InChrist said:
Your idea that God has favorites or likes some and doesn't like others is incorrect according to the biblical scriptures which say that ..."The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is patient toward us,and not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9) and that " God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."( John 3:16)

... God is love (1 John 4:8)

What does it mean that God is love?
http://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-love.html
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I only have one idea about your God, he's not real. I was just debating the morality of your God though he seems to have none

InChrist said:
Why not? The scriptures confirm their validity and life giving truth to all who sincerely seek to know.
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You can find the truth in anything if that's what you seek, for instance, seek that your pet is the lord of all the earth, give it a shot, if you're sincere it'll work! It's all a mental thing, belief in what physically happens to you is the only logical way to go
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Skwim said:
Who says, YOU? You'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the scriptures confirm their validity and life giving truth. PLUS, show why "sincerely seeking to know" works. Why should anyone go to the trouble of seeking unless you can prove its results? All in all it comes down to your say-so. Hardly anything to pin one's hat on.
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It is not my place to prove the scriptures, that is between each person and God. Since I believe God exists and the biblical scriptures are His revealed, living Word then I also believe He is more than capable to reveal these truths and provide enough convincing evidence to anyone who truly wants to know.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
metis said:
And most religious also make such a claim, so on which basis is one to choose which set of scriptures is correct?

To me, any view that God would condemn to eternal punishment a well-meaning person trying to live a moral life but just happens to belong a "wrong religion" is simply illogical, and if hypothetically true, it puts God into the position of being a homicidal maniac who kills the innocent.
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And who determines innocence? Are you saying that if there is a Creator God, this God is unable to know each one's motives and whether or not a person is innocent?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Forgemaster said:
I only have one idea about your God, he's not real. I was just debating the morality of your God though he seems to have none



You can find the truth in anything if that's what you seek, for instance, seek that your pet is the lord of all the earth, give it a shot, if you're sincere it'll work! It's all a mental thing, belief in what physically happens to you is the only logical way to go
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Okay, if you don't think God is real then I won't waste my time or yours in further discussion.
 
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