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Non-church going Christians

Heim

Active Member
Are there any non-church going Christians here? If so, is there a specific reason why you don't attend church, and do you seek other ways to gather with other believers?

For the church going Christians: how much importance do you place upon attending church? What is your attitude towards fellow believers who don't attend church?

This topic might have touched upon already, but I couldn't immediately find a thread devoted to this question through search.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I think attending church is extremely important; with all the emphasis on being a community in Christ the NT, as well as ALL the believers together being the Body of Christ, as well as the support, Scriptural instruction and Sacraments in the Church, there's an abundance of reasons as to why one should go.

As far as those who don't attend church, it's not always because they're bad Christians. Sometimes they just don't know of a church/denomination that suits their beliefs. Some have had bad experiences with churches. So I don't judge them, though I would disagree with those who say that the Church isn't needed.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Are there any non-church going Christians here? If so, is there a specific reason why you don't attend church, and do you seek other ways to gather with other believers?

For the church going Christians: how much importance do you place upon attending church? What is your attitude towards fellow believers who don't attend church?

This topic might have touched upon already, but I couldn't immediately find a thread devoted to this question through search.

I am a non-church going believer. There is not one specific reason for it. I have sought to find other believers by internet. I have found very little difference between "believers" and "unbelievers" so I would not be able to find another true "believer" if my life depended on it. It sounds like I am mocking those who claim to be believers. I am sorry for that. It is true for me that believers and unbelievers look the same. They all ignore me.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I am a non-church going believer. There is not one specific reason for it. I have sought to find other believers by internet. I have found very little difference between "believers" and "unbelievers" so I would not be able to find another true "believer" if my life depended on it. It sounds like I am mocking those who claim to be believers. I am sorry for that. It is true for me that believers and unbelievers look the same. They all ignore me.
Then that is a poor reflection on the believers. I'm sorry to hear that.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Then that is a poor reflection on the believers. I'm sorry to hear that.

It is. Is it my fault? Must I become like them to be considered friendly? I think I am friendly but I have no friends in Christ. I do not understand why.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
It is. Is it my fault? Must I become like them to be considered friendly? I think I am friendly but I have no friends in Christ. I do not understand why.
I think if you have to share their exact beliefs for them to consider you a friend, then they're not really worth having as friends.
 

Reverend Richard

New Thought Minister
Are there any non-church going Christians here? If so, is there a specific reason why you don't attend church, and do you seek other ways to gather with other believers?

For the church going Christians: how much importance do you place upon attending church? What is your attitude towards fellow believers who don't attend church?

This topic might have touched upon already, but I couldn't immediately find a thread devoted to this question through search.

There are several ways I could approach answering your question. One approach would deal with defining what it means to be a "Christian". Another approach would be to rely on a general set of assumptions of what it means to be a Christian and ignore the details. It seems that either of these approaches is frought with difficulty and contradictions.

Or, maybe the assumptions, contradictions and details are in my own mind, so I will simply ignore all of them and provide my personal perspective.

I consider myself a non-church going Christian. I was born, raised and baptized as a Southern Baptist, but in my 20s I converted to Catholicism. Later I dropped out of going to church (any church). In my 40s and 50s I was overcome with a bout of atheism. However, today I consider myself a liberal (very liberal) Christian, but I still do not attend any specific church. If I had to pick a "denomination" that would fit me into a particular branch of Christianity, that would add another layer of difficulty to my self-perception as still being a Christian.

However, with that said, the closest denomination I can think of would be either New Thought Christianity or perhaps Unity Christianity, neither of which affiliations command a large number of followers. That's also another reason for my lack of church attendance - the availability of places of worship for these specific branches of Christianity are few and far between. Although, they are showing some growth in recent years!
 

arhys

Member
Mainline denominations tend to take on the flavor of their local socio-political environment, hence why rural churches tend to be more conservative and city churches more liberal. The city I'm stuck in is far more liberal than most and liberals have hijacked and completely ruined area churches. We have a few independent Calvinist congregations that meet in homes or in schools on weekends, but I'm not a Calvinist. Once I move to a more conservative area I anticipate a more tolerable religious environment and I'll probably be more comfortable going to a church knowing my weekly offering won't be flowing to the local transsexual surgery clinic or the gay pride festival.
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
Are there any non-church going Christians here? If so, is there a specific reason why you don't attend church, and do you seek other ways to gather with other believers?

For the church going Christians: how much importance do you place upon attending church? What is your attitude towards fellow believers who don't attend church?

This topic might have touched upon already, but I couldn't immediately find a thread devoted to this question through search.
I dont go to a temple to worship. Christians dont go to church, they are the church. If I had my way here in America christians would sell all of their half filled buildings they worship in, become undivided, and give the money to feed and clothe the homeless or use the buildings to supply shelter and store food as the original store house was intended.
I do get together with believers and I do ministry as well.
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
It is. Is it my fault? Must I become like them to be considered friendly? I think I am friendly but I have no friends in Christ. I do not understand why.

Have you prayed and asked God to lead you to others who can be friends and encourage you in Christ? Sometimes it may take awhile, but I believe if you wait on the Lord He will lead you to others.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Are there any non-church going Christians here? If so, is there a specific reason why you don't attend church, and do you seek other ways to gather with other believers?

For the church going Christians: how much importance do you place upon attending church? What is your attitude towards fellow believers who don't attend church?

This topic might have touched upon already, but I couldn't immediately find a thread devoted to this question through search.

I meet together weekly with other believers in our homes. I also get together with two other neighbor friends for Bible study every couple of weeks. I believe getting together with other believers is important and the scriptures do say not to forsake the assembly, especially as we see the Day approaching, but the assembly does not specify in a church building. I have some good friends who do not go to church or have regular fellowship with others and my attitude toward them is love. I do think that getting together with other believers gives encouragement and as believers share their gifts and insights it helps keep each other focused on and accountable to the Lord.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Have you prayed and asked God to lead you to others who can be friends and encourage you in Christ? Sometimes it may take awhile, but I believe if you wait on the Lord He will lead you to others.

You believe that God directs people to meet together with other worshippers?

What if you were already led to those who would be your friends and family in Christ and because you had beliefs that were out of line with theirs, YOU no longer wanted THEIR company? Will God lead you somewhere else or will you wander about wondering why you were all alone? :shrug:

Paul said that Christ's true disciples would all speak in agreement with no divisions among them. (1Cor 1:10) That means that we have to alter our beliefs to suit him, because he will not alter his truth to suit what WE want to believe. Humility is the quality that unites people in Christ....pride is what separates them.

Would you agree?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Have you prayed and asked God to lead you to others who can be friends and encourage you in Christ? Sometimes it may take awhile, but I believe if you wait on the Lord He will lead you to others.

I have prayed and I believe The Lord has led me here. I consider many people here friendly and I have been encouraged more than I would have ever asked for. My post means the other way. I feel as though I have failed in encouraging anyone else and in being a friend. Friendship is a two way street. My street seems to be a one way street but I do not know why.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I have prayed and I believe The Lord has led me here. I consider many people here friendly and I have been encouraged more than I would have ever asked for. My post means the other way. I feel as though I have failed in encouraging anyone else and in being a friend. Friendship is a two way street. My street seems to be a one way street but I do not know why.


Sometimes the life of a believer involves being alone. This may be because God wants those who love Him to depend on Him as the most important friend. Paul spent much time alone in prison and many Christian martyrs lived lives of isolation, illness, or imprisonment with only the Lord for companionship. Jesus said He will never leave nor forsake His followers.
I don't think you have failed as many of your posts have been encouraging and thought provoking.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
You believe that God directs people to meet together with other worshippers?
Yes, I believe God will answer sincere prayer and direct one to other believers in His way and timing. In China believers cannot advertize to talk about their church meetings, but I have read many accounts of believers finding each other by the leading of the Holy Spirit.

What if you were already led to those who would be your friends and family in Christ and because you had beliefs that were out of line with theirs, YOU no longer wanted THEIR company? Will God lead you somewhere else or will you wander about wondering why you were all alone? :shrug:
Many people are in churches or religious groups not necessarily because they were led by God, but because of family upbringing, for friends or social reasons or because they trusted their own judgment to join the group, If THEIR beliefs are out of line with the Bible then it would be better to be alone with the Lord and His Word than continue on in false beliefs.

Paul said that Christ's true disciples would all speak in agreement with no divisions among them. (1Cor 1:10) That means that we have to alter our beliefs to suit him, because he will not alter his truth to suit what WE want to believe. Humility is the quality that unites people in Christ....pride is what separates them.

Would you agree?
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Paul did not say that all true disciples would always speak in agreement. Most of Paul's letters were addressing false teachings which had crept in and disunity that existed in the body of Christ. Paul's desire was to see them walk in unity which is different than conformity. I agree that we can not alter God's truth to suit ourselves and that accepting His truth requires humility. Seeking and knowing the truth also requires discernment and wisdom, trusting the leading and faithfulness of the Lord through the Holy Spirit and not just meekly or blinding accepting everything leaders of an organization say. The scriptures indicate that it is truth and love that brings unity in Christ. Believers can disagree on non essential matters and still walk in love because each person is at a different place in their maturity in the Lord.
 
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JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Yes, I believe God will answer sincere prayer and direct one to other believers in His way and timing. In China believers cannot advertize to talk about their church meetings, but I have read many accounts of believers finding each other by the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, it was Paul's admonition “Let us hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for he is faithful that promised. And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:23-25) It is obvious from Paul's words that we need the encouragement of other Christians in these critical last days. (2 Tim 3:1-5)

There are many countries in which our brothers must operate clandestinely, just as the early Christians did when persecuted by the Romans.

Many people are in churches or religious groups not necessarily because they were led by God, but because of family upbringing, for friends or social reasons or because they trusted their own judgment to join the group,
This is true. Everyone should carefully check out the beliefs of any church or group to see if their teachings line up with the Bible. The trouble is, of course, that the beliefs of Christendom were formulated very early in the the church's history. An apostasy was foretold whereby the church would be overtaken by corrupt individuals who would offer to "itching ears" things that they wanted to hear.

"For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do [the] work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry" (2 Tim 4:3-5)

That basically means that false teachings replaced the truth. We have to be careful then, that the "truth" we believe is not merely what the false teachers offered to those who did not "put up with the healthful teachings".

One of the first things to disappear in the Christian church was evangelism. Forced conversions replaced the apostolic method of preaching. Even today, evangelism is not something that is promoted in the churches. Jesus said the good news would be preached "in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations". (Matt 24:14) How is that to take place if the church has fallen down on its commission? (Rom 10:13-15)

If THEIR beliefs are out of line with the Bible then it would be better to be alone with the Lord and His Word than continue on in false beliefs.
Those who believe the truth of the Bible will never be alone. They will not forsake the gathering of themselves together, even at great personal risk.

Those who find themselves "alone with the Lord and his word" are those who have been separated from their brothers by circumstance, like isolation in remote regions or solitary confinement in prison. I know of one Christian sister who endured 20 years of detention in a Chinese prison for her faith. She was treated badly and often put in solitary confinement. She came out with her faith not only in tact, but strengthened beyond her expectations.

In this age of technology, even those in the remotest areas have access to the internet and all the information they could ever need to be encouraged by their brothers.

Paul did not say that all true disciples would always speak in agreement. Most of Paul's letters were addressing false teachings which had crept in and disunity that existed in the body of Christ. Paul's desire was to see them walk in unity which is different than conformity.
Yes, it was Paul's desire that his brothers in Christ all speak in agreement, but the apostasy was "already at work" in those times. (2 Thess 2:6, 7)
The devil does not sleep and his main aim is to cause division. The only way to stop it was to listen to those who held to the true teachings of the Christ and be obedient to them....not accepting new teachings and ideas. (Heb 13:17)

"Wheat and weeds" were to grow together up until the "harvest", so Christ's true followers have always been in existence; they were just overshadowed by the weeds up until it was time for Christ to separate them, which he is doing right now.

I agree that we can not alter God's truth to suit ourselves and that accepting His truth requires humility. Seeking and knowing the truth also requires discernment and wisdom, trusting the leading and faithfulness of the Lord through the Holy Spirit and not just meekly or blinding accepting everything leaders of an organization say.
I couldn't agree more. Knowing the history of the church and the origins of its main teachings also requires that we take off the blinkers. The core of beliefs that identify Christendom, as opposed to Christianity, all come from paganism....all were introduced after the Christ and his apostles (who acted as a restraint against apostasy,) were long gone. This is all people today know of Christian teachings.....but they are not Christian at all. Research is needed.

There is no triune godhead.....no immortal soul.....and no hellfire in Christ's teachings. These were all introduced from paganism. None are taught in scripture.

The scriptures indicate that it is truth and love that brings unity in Christ. Believers can disagree on non essential matters and still walk in love because each person is at a different place in their maturity in the Lord.
There are not 'levels' of truth any more than there are 'branches' of Christianity.

There is one truth and we all have to believe it in order to be saved. It is not lying around on the surface.....it is buried by falsehood. That is why we need to dig for it like it was buried treasure. Work is involved. Accept nothing at face value...test it.

If your church teaches that Jesus is equal to his Father and that they, along with the holy spirit are are all somehow one "God", they are not teaching what the Bible does.

If you believe that humans have an immortal soul that leaves the body at death and goes to another place, either to heavenly bliss or to a fiery torture in hell, then you are accepting what the Bible does not teach.

If you accept the cross as a Christian symbol, then you are demonstrating a great ignorance as to its origins as a religious symbol. It pre-dates Christianity by centuries and its origins are not very savory.

Wisdom and discernment are very necessary, but so is knowledge. In today's world, there is no excuse not to know. We live in the time when "knowledge " was to become "abundant". (Dan 12:4) God's worshippers were to be cleansed and refined of all religious impurities that had crept in over the last two thousand years. Those who do not accept the cleansing will, by their own choice, remain in a spiritually soiled condition, which God will classify as "wickedness". The wicked will not be granted understanding at all because they don't want it. (Dan 12:9, 10) :ignore:
 
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