Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

[TrueBeliever37]

(This is for people who consider themselves some kind of Christian but who reject the trinity)

Many find it mind-boggling and consider it a mystery, and leave it as that

Others are quick to dismiss it as non-sensical rubbish

Some have a major problem with "The Son" part of it

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

And why are some people so quick to reject it?

It makes perfect sense to me, I have no problem accepting it

Each element of God (each part of the trinity) is a dimension of God which is distinct from any other dimension/element, although all these (Father, Son, Spirit) are consubstantial with the central emergent property - "God"

I understand God as being triangle shaped, as having three equal sides, neither of which make sense alone

So, non-Trinitarians - what's wrong with all this? (pic related)

What are your problems with it?

Why are you non-Trinitarian?

Please tell

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1. It's not scriptural.
2. The apostles never taught it.
3. The word is not in the scriptures.
4. It can't be logically explained.
5. It makes no sense how 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

Just as an example. Which of the three persons is the Father of the second person?
Is it the 1st person who you call the Father? or is it the Holy Spirit as it says in Matthew 1:18 and Matthew 1:20

 

[coconut theology]

1. It's not scriptural.

True.

2. The apostles never taught it.

Depends on how the word "trinity" is defined. For instance, if it is simply defined as three persons working together as a unified group, then it is scriptural, but most do not define it that way.

3. The word is not in the scriptures.

This is a poor argument, and one from 'silence', which may or may not be evidence for anything, as there are many words that are "not in the scriptures". For instance the word "Bible" is not in the scriptures.

4. It can't be logically explained.

True.

5. It makes no sense how 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

It depends on how that last "1" is being defined and understood which makes the difference from logical incoherency to logical conherency. For instance if that last "1" is defined as "1" = unified group then it is fine, but if not, then there is a logical incoherency. For instance, it would be true to say 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 (chord, trio), but most do not defined it that way.

Just as an example. Which of the three persons is the Father of the second person?

Is it the 1st person who you call the Father? or is it the Holy Spirit as it says in Matthew 1:18 and Matthew 1:20

This is simple:

The Ancient of Days [Daniel 7:9,13,22 KJB] is The Heavenly Father which is "Our Father who art in Heaven ..." [Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2; KJB etc.], even the eternal Father of the Son [John 17:11, etc].

The Son, Jesus Christ is also a Father [Isaiah 9:6 KJB], see Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1 [He is true Israel, and as true Israel, he has children, even twelve tribes [James 1:1 KJB], see Revelation 7:3-8; 14:1-5 KJB], then turn to Hebrews 2:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20 [which Hebrews quotes, see Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:18 KJB], for His disciples are His "children" that the Father gave unto Him [see also John 13:33 KJB], being the true "overcomer" [John 16:33; Revelation 3:21 KJB], the real "Prince" with God [Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 8:11,25, 9:25, 10:13,21, 11:22, 12:1; Acts 3:15, 5:31; Revelation 1:5 KJB], being Lord over His own house, whose house are we [Psalms 98:3; Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33 KJB], who himself is the "elect" [Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18; 1 Peter 2:6 KJB] of the Father, in whom all the promises of God find their realization [2 Corinthians 1:20 KJB].

The Holy Ghost/Spirit is also a Father, for "the man" Christ Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost; see Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:35 KJB, and we as Christians are "babes", even "born again" [1 Peter 1:23 KJB] of the Holy Ghost [John 3:3,5,6,7,8 KJB], and thus we are "born of God", the Holy Ghost [John 1:13; 1 John 3:9, 4:7, 5:1,4,18 KJB]

They are all Fathers, but not the same person/being, nor in the same manner. They are all Creators [Makers; Ecclesiastes 12:1 HOT, see also 'septuaginta'], and thus they are all Head over all creation [body]. This is what is referred to in scripture, as Godhead.

 

[Milton Platt]

No, because the Council of Trent (Roman Catholic) dogmatic philosophy of "trinity" is logically incoherent and thus not of the truth as defined in scripture.

Knowing Latin wouldn't make it (the idolatrous image in OP, which is a false representation of JEHOVAH Elohiym) any more coherent, neither in any other known languages (English, French, Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, etc). Logical incoherency deals more with mathematics, which language is superior to all other languages.

The Bible (KJB) speaks of the coherency of "three Persons/Beings":

[1] The Father (aka the Ancient of Days. and many other names)

[2] The Son (aka Jesus, and many other names/designations)

[3] The Holy Ghost/Spirit (aka 'another Comforter', and other such names/designations)​

These three Persons/Beings are not the same Person/Being (ever). In fact, in a single verse (and numerous others) we can see all three Persons/Beings which work together (as like a "chord" in music, three distinct that work together to make a harmonious note, this is known as a "trio"):

Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.​

The confusion that many have is in how the Bible uses the word "one" (such as in Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29; 1 John 5:7; etc) and "God" (Genesis 1:1, John 1:1, etc They get into confusion why then use their own definition, rather than the one set forth in the text.

And the further point is if an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being can't communicate in a coherent and non-confusing manner......That's a real problem.