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Nord Stream
- Thread starter mikkel_the_dane
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Ukrainians didn't harm Russians. They harmed Germans by sabotaging that pipeline.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Of course you would have a torture fetish.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Again, how would that absolve or justify what Putin's forces have done to innocent Ukrainian civilians?
Ok...I need to give an example.
Let's say A attacks B by invading his territory.
C aids B, by giving him weapons to defend himself.
B instead of being thankful towards C, he destroys his property.
Nobody is questioning A's behavior. C has nothing to do with A's behavior.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No ****. Don't insult my intelligence. I understood completely, but it still doesn't answer my question; does inconveniencing the Germans excuse or justify the crimes committed against Ukrainian civilians?
Also, according to this article: Nord Stream: German arrest warrant for sabotage blast suspect "If the latest media reports are true, that a group of Ukrainian divers blew up the pipelines, it still doesn’t answer the broader question of who ordered the attack. There is so far no public evidence linking it to the Ukrainian or Russian state or for that matter any other country or individual group."
Absolutely not...but we have already ascertained that it doesn't excuse that.
The Italian media speaks of Zaluzhny. Not a commoner.
Sabotaggio Nord Stream, Wsj: è stato commando guidato da Zaluzhny
Il gruppo di sommozzatori avrebbe agito contro gli ordini del presidente che aveva approvato il piano e poi rinunciato su consiglio della Cia. La ricostruzione del quotidiano statunitense sembra confermata dalle indagini tedesche e dalla rimozione successiva del generale Zaluzhny dal suo...
I can promise you that after this, my country will not even give a gun to that comedian.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You seem pretty comfortable with the horrors being inflicted upon Ukrainian children. Why is that? Also, better a "comedian" than a war criminal and tyrant, or not? I guess being funny just isn't as sexy as being oppressive and murderous.Absolutely not...but we have already ascertained that it doesn't excuse that.
The Italian media speaks of Zaluzhny. Not a commoner.
Sabotaggio Nord Stream, Wsj: è stato commando guidato da Zaluzhny
Il gruppo di sommozzatori avrebbe agito contro gli ordini del presidente che aveva approvato il piano e poi rinunciato su consiglio della Cia. La ricostruzione del quotidiano statunitense sembra confermata dalle indagini tedesche e dalla rimozione successiva del generale Zaluzhny dal suo...it.euronews.com
I can promise you that after this, my country will not even give a gun to that comedian.
My question is about Germany...about the EU.
We exist too..you know.
Is Germany supposed to aid Ukraine, after all that these Ukrainians did to the pipelines?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
My question wasn't.
Right, but that doesn't mean pretending others don't.We exist too..you know.
If the order come from the Ukrainian government, then that's for the Germans to decide. Still, I don't think it's in Germany's best interest to allow a warmongering rogue nation to act with impunity within European boarders.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Geared-up Germany enters second winter without Russian gas
www.cleanenergywire.org
The point of being without Russian gas is not just about Nord Stream. So I need another article that goes through the sanctions and other aspects of the gas delivery, other than North Stream for me to accept that it was only about North Stream as I remember it.
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Germany is furious about this.
The German people.
I believe that if some countries in that area aided this crazy operation, by willingly harboring the perpetrators, it's very likely that they will be kindly invited to leave the European Union.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Got any link to those claims about Germany. In English or German please.
@Father Heathen
You know...all the articles come from Sorosian media.
I prefer to listen to real persons. Real Ukrainians. Like Olga Ignatieva here, who had to flee from Odessa to Italy, because the Kiev regime persecuted all Russian-speaking people.
You know...all the articles come from Sorosian media.
I prefer to listen to real persons. Real Ukrainians. Like Olga Ignatieva here, who had to flee from Odessa to Italy, because the Kiev regime persecuted all Russian-speaking people.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, it doesn't show what you want it to show. The expert interviewed even says it can't be rules out that it is a false flag operation by Russia and even if Ukranie did it, there is no reason to hold Ukranie to account for it.
Did you actually view it, even with English captions on?
But that Ukraine is in on it is more plausible.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It is as it stands unknown. But your link didn't do this:
Your link was a German on the side of Ukraine.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Nobody has ever proved to me that Italians care about innocent victims, particularly children...Nobody has ever proved me that Americans care about Germans...
so...
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