North Korea Thumbs Nose at Trump, Ramps Up Its Nuclear Missiles

[Quetzal]

I thought Trump was in the OP title.
More specifically, a Trump plan and claim of success.

Nah, the topic was NK giving the US the bird regardless of tactics.
Perhaps you don't want to talk about that sort of thing.
Perhaps you prefer to talk about what Trump did incorrectly.
I can well understand why some people would rather talk about that.

 

[columbus]

Nah, the topic was NK giving the US the bird regardless of tactics.
Perhaps you don't want to talk about that sort of thing.

Oh no.
I will talk about it.
But I tend to talk more about the current administration than history. Because it matters more when the current administration screws up and lies about it.
Tom

 

[Quetzal]

Oh no.
I will talk about it.
But I tend to talk more about the current administration than history. Because it matters more when the current administration screws up and lies about it.
Tom

Honest question, do you think Trumps actions are the reason for NK's escalation in missile armament?

 

[columbus]

Honest question, do you think Trumps actions are the reason for NK's escalation in missile armament?

Yes.
I believe that the Kim administration knew that they were dealing with a weak USA president. A president that couldn't hold his own in the global world.

They knew that they could play him the way other people play Trump. Like Putin, for example. And Assad. And the Saudi monarchy. And the Chinese government...

Yes. I believe that the North Koreans played Trump like most of the USA enemies do.

But you can't explain that to a Trump supporter.
Tom

 

[Quetzal]

Yes.
I believe that the Kim administration knew that they were dealing with a weak USA president. A president that couldn't hold his own in the global world.

They knew that they could play him the way other people play Trump. Like Putin, for example. And Assad. And the Saudi monarchy. And the Chinese government...

Yes. I believe that the North Koreans played Trump like most of the USA enemies do.

But you can't explain that to a Trump supporter.
Tom

It has nothing to do with who supports who. But we need to expand the discussion to include some sources if that is the position you want to take. I think the Kim Administration was going to go forward with this initiative regardless of what the US did and regardless of who was in the Oval. They have a history of this behavior and I am not surprised to see if unchanged.

 

[columbus]

I think the Kim Administration was going to go forward with this initiative regardless of what the US did and regardless of who was in the Oval.

I agree.
Trump and his sycophants don't.
The USA made it clear that it will attack any country that doesn't have a nuclear deterrent.

They have a history of this behavior and I am not surprised to see if unchanged.

But Trump claimed that he had changed it. It's one of his claims to fame.
Tom

 

[Quetzal]

I agree.
Trump and his sycophants don't.
The USA made it clear that it will attack any country that doesn't have a nuclear deterrent.

Why are you drawing lines in the sand? I don't get it! This is the easiest way to agree with everyone, regardless of political affiliation. Seriously, it is low hanging fruit: "Kim is an a#$hole and he deceived the US and SK in response to their acts of good will." That is what this is, isn't it?

But Trump claimed that he had changed it. It's one of his claims to fame.
Tom

At the time I think he might have had reason to do so. It is not such an outlandish idea that his influence helped talks. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I don't know for sure. Something tells me you don't either.

 

[Shad]

Time to reverse the relaxing of sanctions.

 

[shunyadragon]

Ugh, this isn't surprising. But what may surprise you is that I don't think this is Trump's fault. Every administration has tried their hand at working with North Korea and all have come up short. NK just sucks...

It is tRump's fault that he was gullible negotiated poorly with North Korea and got nothing but some prisoners released, which North Korea has perpetually used prisoners as negotiation bate. By openly visited and publicly negotiated, and offered concessions based on nothing of substance. It gave North Korea international respectability they did nothing to earn.

He was relying on his personal influence and ability, which in North Korea hae had none.

tRump's success? 'Phffffttt! Plop! Plop!

 

[shunyadragon]

Well, he had reasons to be excited, right? We all did. Talks between NK and SK started to happen. NK was actually talking, which is something worth taking a closer look at. Sure, he puffed his chest a bit much but I give him a pass.

There is a lot blue, smoke and mirrors here, and North Korea does what it wants to do based on an agenda. After the meetings, negotiating with South Korea, without the USA is a prestige play by North Korea trying to drive a wedge between South Korea and the USA.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Kim is a very good diplomatic chess player. It's cost him nothing to troll Trump and South Korea and he's done an excellent job at it.

More than once too. Like his father did.

 

[esmith]

It appears that there are those that wanted to see the North Korea talks to be a failure so that it would not give the President a win.
I suppose that if armed conflict breaks out between North Korea and the U.S. that the same people will be thrilled because the President failed.

 

[metis]

It appears that there are those that wanted to see the North Korea talks to be a failure so that it would not give the President a win.
I suppose that if armed conflict breaks out between North Korea and the U.S. that the same people will be thrilled because the President failed.

Where and why do you come up with this kind of dung? Sorry if some of us are not as enamored as you are with the Groper-In-Chief.

 

[esmith]

Where and why do you come up with this kind of dung? Sorry if some of us are not as enamored as you are with the Groper-In-Chief.

Well @metis did I point you or anyone else on this forum out? Don't think so. Remember I have just as much right to express an opinion just as you do; however I didn't go overboard like you and other do in your means of expressing oneself.