Norway mosque shooting an 'attempted act of terror', police say

[Road Less Traveled]

If you kill on purpose you will not gain a new life at all when you die from this life. -the reincarnation ends and the soul is destroyed beause the karma killing gives would be to heavy for a being to carry.

I ask because one who believes in reincarnation and karma, karmic debts/balances... would have to accept that that god or that buddah has to design the bad guys and their bad guy roles to get justice and make others with karmic debts suffer consequences.

 

[HonestJoe]

Yes, because wanting to execute a terrorist who murdered 77 innocent people is totally the same as that terrorist killing those people. How completely stupid and offensive.

You said people like him and he probably thought the people he was killing were "dangerous monsters" (or being raised to be).

I'm not making a serious equivalence and was being deliberately provocative to hopefully make people think twice. Talking about killing people just because you don't like the idea of them existing, however justified the individual example might be, strikes me as a dangerous precedent.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You said people like him and he probably thought the people he was killing were "dangerous monsters" (or being raised to be).

I'm not making a serious equivalence and was being deliberately provocative to hopefully make people think twice. Talking about killing people just because you don't like the idea of them existing, however justified the individual example might be, strikes me as a dangerous precedent.

It has nothing to do with "not liking the idea of them existing" as if it's some abstract ideological issue directed to an arbitrary group of people. It's about delivering justice for crimes. There is no point in keeping him locked up as he basically cannot be rehabilitated and won't feel remorse because he's not able to. He knew what he was doing, he was not having a psychotic break. He also enjoys the attention. So executing him really would be the more humane thing to do, as well as giving him his just desserts.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, as a member of the blue state of California which is predominantly democrat I've never heard average people here talk about banning guns. In fact, many of us including myself have guns. Our issue is reformatting the process to make it difficult for someone unstable to obtain a gun.

And that's great. Guns don't kill, people kill.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And that's great. Guns don't kill, people kill.

Of course I know that

 

[Spirit of Light]

Did that god or that buddah decide that it was time for the sister to pass on?

No, The man decided that he hated her and shot her, that as a man-made decision.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I ask because one who believes in reincarnation and karma, karmic debts/balances... would have to accept that that god or that buddah has to design the bad guys and their bad guy roles to get justice and make others with karmic debts suffer consequences.

Bad people have bad morality and that leads to evil deeds,

 

[Ponder This]

To put your question a little different, If someone killed my fianceè, would I want that person dead? The answer to that is no, I would not want that. It is more of a punishment to be in prison then to end the murderer's life. Why? Because if you put them in a cell with only food and nothing else to do, they will have a long time to think and suffer from what they did, if you kill them, how are they going to learn? I can not speak for what others want or should think, but in my view the death penalty is wrong.
Nothing you guys say will make me change that view.

And just before someone asks If someone did kill my fianceè I would be able to forgive them, not the first weeks or first month maybe, but i can forgive.

If imprisonment is worse than death ("more of a punishment") and killing results in Karmic soul destruction after death...

Are you not concerned about enduring a Karmic punishment worse than the destruction of your soul after you die (in the case that you cause someone to be imprisoned during this life rather than slain)?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

A car accident don't make you a killer. if you shoot someone or put a knif in them and they die, then ou by definition is a killer

If you kill someone, you're a killer. If you drink drive and hit someone you might be a killer but not a murderer (dependant on laws) but you are a killer.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If imprisonment is worse than death ("more of a punishment") and killing results in Karmic soul destruction after death...

Are you not concerned about enduring a Karmic punishment worse than the destruction of your soul after you die (in the case that you cause someone to be imprisoned during this life rather than slain)?

No, i do not fear death

 

[Spirit of Light]

If you kill someone, you're a killer. If you drink drive and hit someone you might be a killer but not a murderer (dependant on laws) but you are a killer.

Yes when you brake the law, you are

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Yes when you brake the law, you are

Being a killer isn't about the law. Being murderer...or being guilt of manslaughter...is.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

No, The man decided that he hated her and shot her, that as a man-made decision.

In a believed system of karma and reincarnation, how can one be sure who is innocent, who is guilty, what are ‘manmade decisions’ vs. what are ‘universal karmic decisions’ working through people?

I personally don’t know the guy, or what went down so I won’t personally pass judgement if I’m not 100% certain.

 

[Shad]

In a believed system of karma and reincarnation, how can one be sure who is innocent, who is guilty, what are ‘manmade decisions’ vs. what are ‘universal karmic decisions’ working through people?

It is called evidence. I know this is foreign idea to the religious.

I personally don’t know the guy, or what went down so I won’t personally pass judgement if I’m not 100% certain.

This is nonsense and a horrible standard. 100% certainty is next to impossible.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

It is called evidence. I know this is foreign idea to the religious.

I’m asking another who believes in reincarnation and karma.

This is nonsense and a horrible standard. 100% certainty is next to impossible.

Why would it be a horrible standard to not judge someone or something I do not know without 100% of certainty?

 

[Shad]

I’m asking another who believes in reincarnation and karma.

Point stands regardless.

Why would it be a horrible standard to not judge someone or something I do not know without 100% of certainty?

Prove you are not a brain in a jar and all of reality isn't a simulation. I will wait. (Hint* You cant) Ergo 100% certainty is an absurd standard to hold.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

Prove you are not a brain in a jar and all of reality isn't a simulation. I will wait. (Hint* You cant) Ergo 100% certainty is an absurd standard to hold.

If it’s an absurd standard to hold, why should anyone sane judge anyone or anything?

Wouldn’t only an absurd one do such?

 

[Shad]

If it’s an absurd standard to hold, why should anyone sane judge anyone or anything?

As you reject the 100% standard and use one that isn't absurd. Accept the low chance of being wrong for a probability of being right that isn't next to impossible to meet. Accept the fact that you, I or anyone can make an error. Create a fail-safe to handle an incorrect conclusion like appeal courts ,which already exist.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

As you reject the 100% standard and use one that isn't absurd. Accept the low chance of being wrong for a probability of being right that isn't next to impossible to meet. Accept the fact that you, I or anyone can make an error. Create a fail-safe to handle an incorrect conclusion like appeal courts ,which already exist.

A lot is possible with human nature. Made up stories, blackmail, planted evidence, agendas, framing, people judging people inaccurately for crimes they never committed and eventually exonerated of/ or never exonerated of, false witnesses, murder, scapegoating, mistaking the fact that I or you or anyone wouldn’t do something therefore others wouldn’t either, etc.

And then even the religious beliefs... the non-religious would have to take into account that they may be wrong and in error.

Even if you or I or anyone else were born as that guy... we may very well have done what he did, if he did.

One can only fail-safe so much. But yes, what can anyone that means well collectively do other than do what is in place?

 

[Ponder This]

No, i do not fear death

Um... okay... so death penalty is actually okay with you?