Not a sin anymore???

[Wildswanderer]

Greed, ego, bad religious beliefs, selfishness, arrogance, narcissism, etc.

Then knowledge alone doesn't lead to true enlightenment, because we are still sinful creatures.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The parts of the world that are the worst off are the ones where education is least available and prevalent.

If knowledge leads to bettering of the human condition why aren't we bettering them? Because we don't have what Jesus taught. Loving others more than yourself.
So the wisdom found in the love chapter in the Bible is more helpful than all our scientific wisdom put together.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Because in the world today there are still people who believe that a 2000 year old myth is true and the theory of evolution is false.

Lol, really? Because believing in evolution is going to save the world!

 

[Wildswanderer]

I didn’t claim that we know everything about the brain. But I did say was many Christian extremists reject what we do know, science, for the sake of their religious beliefs. Many of your posts reveal you are one of these Christians who reject science due to religious dogma.

A lot of what is called science is theory.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nobody pretends "genders don't exist." People like yourself don't seem to understand that gender is a social construct though.

Another person repeating falsehoods that go against all common sense and biology, like I said, absurdity.

 

[F1fan]

Lol, really? Because believing in evolution is going to save the world!

In an indirect way, it could. If all citizens in the USA rejected science that would suggest their judgment is poor, and they would surely select bad leadership for all offices. The USA would collapse quickly, and the ripple effect would be a negative globally. Right now the world is acknowledging that climate change is real and all of us need to limit the use of fossil fuels. American conservatives largely have rejected climate change and their influence on American policies over green energy and use of fossil fuels has been irresponsible. This is because they have contempt for science and experts. We see similar contempt for people like Fauci and what experts recommended for vaccinations and public safety.

Those who reject evolution exhibit poor judgment, and to my mind their poor collective judgment does pose a threat in many ways.

 

[F1fan]

A lot of what is called science is theory.

You refer to this as if a theory is bad thing, and this only reveals you lack of understanding and contempt for science. Ignorance and prejudice is not a moral frame of mind.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Then knowledge alone doesn't lead to true enlightenment, because we are still sinful creatures.

Well, Buddhism I think comes closest as it reduces many of those things.

 

[Sand Dancer]

A lot of what is called science is theory.

Because they know there are always more things to learn. It doesn't mean that what's been proven isn't right for the amount of knowledge they have. Verifiable results count for a lot.

 

[F1fan]

Ok this is way off topic, so I you decide not to answer to this, ill understand.

But we do have evidence that:

1 Jesus was alive at some point in time (X)

2 Jesus died at some Point in time(Y)

3 Jesus was alive at some Point time (Z)

4 Y predates Z

With evidence I mean that we have multiple independent sources corroborating each if the 4 points , this type of evidence is enough to grant any fact form ancient history, if you want to make an arbitrary exception with the resurrection go ahead, but why should I?

Well, no, there are no indevendent sources that report of the 4 points you list. You are being exceptionally vague here. Are you referring to Josephus? He lived well after the Jesus period. He wrote about the same time as the Gospels were being written. At best he read about Jesus and just repeated the stories in the Gospels. He cites no witnesses.

plus the fantastic, supernatural aspects of the Jesus myth make it not credible as history. Unless he had a heart attack and was given cpr the resurrection claim is not believable.

 

[Brian2]

Lust or necessity? After all, God put the harmones in the body. It doe not violate any commandment.

Feeling like doing something does not mean that God allows it. But yes it does imo violate a command to not commit adultery, since Jesus said that looking at someone with lust in our eyes is committing adultery with them in our heart.

 

[Brian2]

Because it is.

So for Christians to say that God does not want gay sex practiced by His followers is hateful and homophobic?
Or are you talking about taking that further and wanting to ban homosexuality and punish homosexuals?

 

[YoursTrue]

If knowledge leads to bettering of the human condition why aren't we bettering them? Because we don't have what Jesus taught. Loving others more than yourself.
So the wisdom found in the love chapter in the Bible is more helpful than all our scientific wisdom put together.

@ChristineM says the world IS getting better, kind of. Like we're living longer, if, of course, we don't starve to death or die in a mass shooting or war, etc.
I agree that the Bible is God's word to mankind with a very hopeful message that makes sense to me, but not all who claim to be a member of a religion using the Bible really understands it or practices what it teaches.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A lot of what is called science is theory.

Yeah.....and.....your point?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Feeling like doing something does not mean that God allows it.

Why did God put lust, anger, greed, pride in the heart of men? And then say, 'I do not allow it'. Design failure.

 

[ChristineM]

@ChristineM says the world IS getting better, kind of. Like we're living longer, if, of course, we don't starve to death or die in a mass shooting or war, etc

People have always be subject to nature and often times starved to death because of it. However science has saved over 1 billion lives in the last fifty years.(look up norman borlaug).

It seems that the majority of mass shooters are of Christian upbringing.

And war. I am sure you ignored my incomplete list of religiously motivated wars throughout HISTORY

I agree that the Bible is God's word to mankind with a very hopeful message that makes sense to me,

? Evidence? No? Ok

but not all who claim to be a member of a religion using the Bible really understands it or practices what it teaches.

How convenient.

 

[leroy]

Well, no, there are no indevendent sources that report of the 4 points you list. You are being exceptionally vague here. Are you referring to Josephus? He lived well after the Jesus period. He wrote about the same time as the Gospels were being written. At best he read about Jesus and just repeated the stories in the Gospels. He cites no witnesses.

In fact I was thinking about Paul and the Gospels

These are my independent sources that corroborate the 4 points

plus the fantastic, supernatural aspects of the Jesus myth make it not credible as history. Unless he had a heart attack and was given cpr the resurrection claim is not believable.

Well you have a different Epistemology than I, I dont reject supernatural claims by default.

But an argument doest automatically becomes invalid just because it doesn't presuposes the same philosophical assumptions that you personally do.

 

[YoursTrue]

People have always be subject to nature and often times starved to death because of it. However science has saved over 1 billion lives in the last fifty years.(look up norman borlaug).

It seems that the majority of mass shooters are of Christian upbringing.

And war. I am sure you ignored my incomplete list of religiously motivated wars throughout HISTORY





? Evidence? No? Ok



How convenient.

Many people claim to be Christian, but as you probably see here, don't even believe what the Bible says. Others don't believe the Bible but claim to believe in some outer force that speaks to them. And, as the top magistrate of the Orthodox church in Russia says if a person goes to war, he is saved. You might say what you want, but even the Bible speaks of false Christians.
The Bible speaks of things going according to social norms at the time just before God intervenes for good. People living longer does not mean the world is improving. While much of mankind's history has been a sad story of man's inhumanity to man, starving populations by intent or disaster, killing one another, yes, certain people would be doing things to advance science and help people.

 

[ChristineM]

Many people claim to be Christian, but as you probably see here, don't even believe what the Bible says. Others don't believe the Bible but claim to believe in some outer force that speaks to them. And, as the top magistrate of the Orthodox church in Russia says if a person goes to war, he is saved. You might say what you want, but even the Bible speaks of false Christians.
The Bible speaks of things going according to social norms at the time just before God intervenes for good. People living longer does not mean the world is improving. While much of mankind's history has been a sad story of man's inhumanity to man, starving populations by intent or disaster, killing one another, yes, certain people would be doing things to advance science and help people.

What i see is that different sects/cults of Christianity interpret the particular version (and there are many) of the bible that they favour in different ways to other sects/cults. Hence the reason why there are close on 50,000 different sects/cults of Christianity each believing their interpretation of the bible they favour is the correct interpretation.

Throughout the history of Christianity different sects/cults have gone to war with other Christian sects/cults in the name of their god

So you prefer to die age 25 leaving your 15 children to fend for themselves. Trust me enhanced age has its benefits.

BTW, if you read the OT you will see your god condones and guides, rape,violence, theft, slavery, murder and war. So are you interpreting your gods word correctly?

 

[metis]

A lot of what is called science is theory.

But what we call a "theory" in science isn't what most people call a "theory":
A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. -- scientific theory - Search (bing.com)