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Not posting in the Hinduism DIR forum anymore for one simple reason...

Chakra

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This is something else that's been dawning on me; this whole thing is like a cascade. I've mentioned several times here and there that I have strong reason to suspect that my family is actually northern European. I'm planning on doing a DNA test to actually find out. My family is on-board with it but the cheap &$*@#!+ haven't ponied up to help pay for it.



I've been wearing Mjolnir for a while now. :) It's not a high grade one, but it's meaningful.



They all have common roots. Even names of deities can be traced back to a single name... Zeus, Tyr, Dyaus, and the words deus, theos, deva.



And all that is OK, because if we were all the same we'd all wear red shirts. How boring would that be? It's when I criticize your blue shirt and you criticize my red shirt, and we fight over it is where the problems come in.

OK. See you around.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Since I've "re-invented" myself (for lack of a better term at the moment) I asked for my user name to be changed to...

are you ready ... ?

I mean, really ready... ?

are you sure... ?

Here it comes...

Thorbjorn.

Of course I'm sure you can see that by now. It means "thunder bear" in Old Norse and Icelandic. Actually I stumbled on it; I don't believe in coincidences because it fits me.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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Since I've "re-invented" myself (for lack of a better term at the moment) I asked for my user name to be changed to...

are you ready ... ?

I mean, really ready... ?

are you sure... ?

Here it comes...

Thorbjorn.

Of course I'm sure you can see that by now. It means "thunder bear" in Old Norse and Icelandic. Actually I stumbled on it; I don't believe in coincidences because it fits me.

I'm jealous of you! I've been thinking of changing my user name for awhile.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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I need to figure out a name to change it to. :p

I was thinking about it for a bit. I didn't want to come up with something unimaginative like Sven or Olaf or Leif Eriksson (not that there's anything wrong with those :p) just for the sake of change. So I Googled 'Norse male names' and not halfway down the page Thorbjorn hit me. I use 'Gunnar Thorbjorn' on a Heathen site. Gunnar means 'strong/brave warrior'. So I guess by stretching Old Norse to its breaking point :biglaugh: it could render as "Thor's brave warrior bear". And I always liked the name Gunnar.

I have no life outside my own little world. :sad4:

:D
 

Vinayaka

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Yeah, I've seen a few name changes in my time on forums. ;) I think there should be a limit in the rules. No more than twice a day.
 

Maya3

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Thor is the name of the Thunder god, it is also spelled Tor. In Old Norse thunder was Torden. Björn is spelt like this Björn, yes it means bear.
Blot is pronounced more like this, bloot, at least in Swedish.

I love the image of God being Thunder, it is pure electricity.

Maya
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Yeah, I've seen a few name changes in my time on forums. ;) I think there should be a limit in the rules. No more than twice a day.

One forum lets you do it every 21 days. I'd be so confused... about mine, let alone everyone else's. :D
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Thor is the name of the Thunder god, it is also spelled Tor. In Old Norse thunder was Torden. Björn is spelt like this Björn, yes it means bear.
Blot is pronounced more like this, bloot, at least in Swedish.

I love the image of God being Thunder, it is pure electricity.

Maya

Very good! But then, you do spend time in Sweden, ja? :) I was going to use the ö or ø, but I decided to go with the o in bjorn. People see the ö or ø and freak out. :D And forget Týr... ý is kind of like the u in 'put' making it more like Tur.

Anyway, I think Swedish spells and pronounces it Tor now, Norwegian goes either way, and who knows what the Danes do (except make good cheese). Icelandic kept the 'th'. I think Swedish dropped it completely in favor of 't'. 'Th' is actually a rare phoneme in languages.

Icelandic still pronounces blot as bloat, long o. Icelandic is as close as you can get to Old Norse as is possible. In fact, it's changed very little from the Old Norse of the 8th - 10th centuries. Modern Icelanders can read ON literature easier than we can read Shakespeare.

I don't know how it came about that the god who represents lightning, a highly destructive force, became one of, if not the most popular god, the god of the common folk.

In spite of what people think of Marvel comics (I think they're neat :D), Thor actually is the protector of the earth. So that's not Hollywood artistic license when Chris Hemsworth's Thor says "the earth is under my protection!" to Loki in The Avengers. The movies got some things right on target from Norse mythology.
 

Maya3

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Very good! But then, you do spend time in Sweden, ja? :) I was going to use the ö or ø, but I decided to go with the o in bjorn. People see the ö or ø and freak out. :D And forget Týr... ý is kind of like the u in 'put' making it more like Tur.

Anyway, I think Swedish spells and pronounces it Tor now, Norwegian goes either way, and who knows what the Danes do (except make good cheese). Icelandic kept the 'th'. I think Swedish dropped it completely in favor of 't'. 'Th' is actually a rare phoneme in languages.

Icelandic still pronounces blot as bloat, long o. Icelandic is as close as you can get to Old Norse as is possible. In fact, it's changed very little from the Old Norse of the 8th - 10th centuries. Modern Icelanders can read ON literature easier than we can read Shakespeare.

I don't know how it came about that the god who represents lightning, a highly destructive force, became one of, if not the most popular god, the god of the common folk.

In spite of what people think of Marvel comics (I think they're neat :D), Thor actually is the protector of the earth. So that's not Hollywood artistic license when Chris Hemsworth's Thor says "the earth is under my protection!" to Loki in The Avengers. The movies got some things right on target from Norse mythology.

I go at least once per year, I'm from there.

Thor is often spelled with th, actually I think it may be more common nowadays, though if you speak of the god it's Tor. Both are pronounced toor. You never hear the h.
Ø is the Danish equivalent of ö. It's its own letter not just a no with dots. We also have Å and Ä as well as Ö.
And as fun trivia, ö is a word as well, it means island. And the letter å is also a word, river.

Icelandic is beautiful!

What do you mean by tyr? Tur means luck in Swedish.

Maya
 
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Jainarayan

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That's really cool, thanks. :)

Tyr, the Norse god. He is Thor's and Baldr's brother. He sacrificed his hand to tie up the Fenris wolf. People pronounce it like tier.

I've heard Icelandic spoken. It is nice. Icelanders seem really cool. No pun intended. :D But I'll be drawn and quartered if I can pronounce the name of that volcano that erupted.
 

Maya3

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That's really cool, thanks. :)

Tyr, the Norse god. He is Thor's and Baldr's brother. He sacrificed his hand to tie up the Fenris wolf. People pronounce it like tier.

I've heard Icelandic spoken. It is nice. Icelanders seem really cool. No pun intended. :D But I'll be drawn and quartered if I can pronounce the name of that volcano that erupted.

Thanks, i have never heard of Tyr, I wonder if it's Höder he is the brother of Tor and Balder but I have no idea. The names might have a different translation.

I know right, don't ask me to pronounce it either.

Maya
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Yes, Hodr (various spellings) is the brother of Baldr by Odin and Frigg. Thor and Tyr are half brothers to Baldr and Hodr. Hodr was blind and was tricked by Loki into killing Baldr. Odin was so enraged he had Hodr killed. It is a tragic story.

Btw, I'll say it's more like Ho-th-r. The th is like in "this".
 
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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
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I do not identify as Hindu, as you can see from what displays in my posts now. This is not sudden; what is sudden is deciding to "come out" (jeez, I thought I had that all taken care of 19 years ago! :D). Nah, this has been long in coming. I've dabbled with Buddhism, Taoism, and combinations of Buddhism, Taoism and Hinduism in varying amounts in the recipe. But it's been a recipe for internal disaster.

So what changed? Nothing, really. I've been hinting around about Thor; talking about how I couldn't get close to Krishna and Rama; and so on. None of this is new, I've just been trying too hard to follow something I can't. The reasons are pretty much that Hinduism just doesn't feel right or "do it" for me theologically and cosmologically. I can't relate to it, hard as I tried.

So where am I going? Talking almost incessantly about Thor might give a clue. ;) Yes, the religion of whom I have strong reason to believe are my ancestors... Ásatrú, faith or belief in the Æsir (and Vanir), who are the gods and goddesses of the Norse. I've been drawn for a long time to Norse religion, but I always brushed it aside. But it seems the Big Guy with the hammer grabbed me in a headlock. I can relate to the Norse deities in a way I couldn't with Hinduism, especially to Thor. He is my "ishta-devata", no question. There are still elements of Hinduism I find compatible with Ásatrú. Some of it is genuine, some of it is possibly my own upg. For example, I am still drawn to Saraswati, Lakshmi, Hanuman, Ganesha, Narasimha and Shiva, but they are simply deities in my pantheon that have attributes that overlap with most of the Norse deities I am drawn to; those forms speak to me.

So there am I... one of the world's shortest Vikings. :D

Congrats! I find that both Hinduism and Asatru religion stand out as mystical and complex.

Guess this proves the theory wrong that once you go hindu you never go back :D Only kidding.

What would you say are the fundamentals of your beliefs?
 

Maya3

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Yes, Hodr (various spellings) is the brother of Baldr by Odin and Frigg. Thor and Tyr are half brothers to Baldr and Hodr. Hodr was blind and was tricked by Loki into killing Baldr. Odin was so enraged he had Hodr killed. It is a tragic story.

Btw, I'll say it's more like Ho-th-r. The th is like in "this".

You know a lot more than me :)

Maya
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Congrats! I find that both Hinduism and Asatru religion stand out as mystical and complex.

Guess this proves the theory wrong that once you go hindu you never go back :D Only kidding.

What would you say are the fundamentals of your beliefs?

Thanks. :)

Fundamentals, though I don't know everything there is to know:

As in any, or most religions, there is a lot of metaphor and allegory, and personal interpretation. Asatru, being a reconstructed religion, is very open to personal interpretation, within the basics. It's reconstructed, or being reconstructed because during and after the Christianization of Scandinavia a lot of the lore was lost. What there is of it (which is copious nevertheless) has been preserved by Icelanders in the Prose Edda, Poetic Edda and other literature.

The universe is populated by a host of gods and other supernatural and supra-mundane beings. There is a center of the universe around which everything revolves. Metaphorically and mythologically, it's Yggdrasil, the cosmic tree. Traditionally there are nine worlds inhabited by different classes of beings, including humans (Midgard) and the gods (Asgard). The gods ('Aesir') interact with the beings of all the worlds, in one way or another. For example, Thor is usually pounding the crap out of the Jotuns, who make trouble for man and gods.

The gods and goddesses have different qualities, attributes, duties and "departments". The primary gods (at least to me):

Thor; thunder, rain, protector of earth, keeping things in line for mortals;
Odin and Frigga, king and queen of Asgard; Frigga is not the mother of Thor (that's Marvel Comics :p), though he is Odin's son. Thor's mother is Jord, a Jotun, who is the personification of the earth. So you see, not all Jotuns are bad.
Freyja, goddess of love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, war (she is one who brings dead wariors to Vahalla).
Freyr, Freyja's twin brother, god of virility and prosperity, sunshine and fair weather, fertility, peace and pleasure;
Tyr, law and heroism;
Baldr, god of light and purity (though he is currently held hostage by the goddess of the underworld).

Heimdallr is pretty important too, he is the gatekeeper of Asgard and guardian of the Rainbow Bridge (Bifrost). He has foreknowledge, sharp eyesight and hearing, and keeps a lookout for the beginning of Ragnarök.

There are many, many more. The gods are not immortal, though they are extremely long lived. There will be a final huge battle called Ragnarok in which most of the gods will die, including Thor and Odin, but the world will be reborn with a new human race, and the gods who do survive.

So that's kind of the cosmology and mythology.

Practices can be as complicated or simple as one likes. There are no requirements. Some people are into more esoteric and mystical aspects, some not. I don't know enough about any of that, and it's really not my cup of tea. I'm still just a bhakta, a devotee of a god.

There are no temples, simple rituals are held outdoors in a consecrated area. There are priests and priestesses but they more like leaders or elders. Worship of a god(dess) can consist of a small offering of light (even a little fire outdoors or candles indoors), a libation of some sort (usually beer or mead), a food item, incense, flowers, etc. Even just prayers, and reading or reciting verses in praise of, or thanks to the gods. I've taken to reciting what's in my signature as a mantra, of sorts. I light candles and incense and say some prayers. I don't drink (just personal choice), so I haven't served beer or mead yet, but I may. I asked someone what you do with the offerings afterwards. Answer: whatever you want, it doesn't matter. That is, you can consume part of it, but usually put it outdoors to return to the earth.

Reverence for ancestors is important. There's a really nice prayer/poem (they used it in the movie The Thirteenth Warrior):

Lo, there do I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother,
And my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people,
Back to the beginning!

Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place among them,
In the halls of Valhalla!
Where the brave may live forever!


Death and the afterlife are kind of up for grabs, some believing in rebirth, others not so much (I do).
 
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