"Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them"?

[metis]

And that tells people don’t love as they should... I think socialism is evil

No, it's saying, "I love my money more than you, so I'm not gonna spend my precious money on you or your children, regardless as to whether you need help".

Neither Christianity or Judaism allowed people to go without help, and all Christian countries were required to have a safety net for those who may fall through the cracks in a capitalistic society.

True "evil" is not helping others who may need it.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

That can be well true for many of the "Right-Libertarians" but not the "Left-Libertarians" like Gandhi.

Typically I mean right Libertarian when I use the word. I do however specify if I mean Left. The Libertarian Party of the United States is what I go on in choosing to use Libertarian more regularly for the conservatives in the ranks.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it's saying, "I love my money more than you, so I'm not gonna spend my precious money on you or your children, regardless as to whether you need help".

Neither Christianity or Judaism allowed people to go without help, and all Christian countries were required to have a safety net for those who may fall through the cracks in a capitalistic society.

True "evil" is not helping others who may need it.

What are the limits to this labeling of evil?
If you have money, & there are people in need, are
you evil for not helping them to the extent you're able?

 

[Milton Platt]

In of itself, the idea that not sharing wealth is stealing from the poor sounds ridiculous to me.

Then I remember than in a capitalistic economy, that is kind of how it works. The only way one becomes monetarily wealthy is by gaming the system to exploit others. It may not be slavery and forced labor at work here, but it's a system that's largely analogous to it.

define "monetarily wealthy". At what dollar amount is one monetarily wealthy instead of monetarily poor?
My wife and I both worked all of our lives, and are now retired. I have a primary home, a vacation home, and no debt. I have substantial investments which will provide income. Did I "game the system" by working hard and living within my means?

 

[1213]

...True "evil" is not helping others who may need it.

I agree with that. But socialism is not helping, it is stealing. People should be free. And it would be nice, if people are good and help others. Forcing people to give up what they have, is not the right way. Teaching people to love others is the right way.

 

[metis]

I agree with that. But socialism is not helping, it is stealing. People should be free. And it would be nice, if people are good and help others. Forcing people to give up what they have, is not the right way. Teaching people to love others is the right way.

That would be nice, but it doesn't work, which is why literally no country in the world today uses charity alone, and what happened during the Great Depression here showed us that it doesn't work here either.

I don't like paying taxes either, but they're a necessity in every single society in this world.

 

[Vouthon]

I don't disagree with economic relief, but not for able-bodied individuals who should at least work to earn their charity, instead of becoming part of the multi-generational welfare class who watch other people do the landscaping outside their section 8 house/public housing with heating, a/c, food stamps, indoor plumbing, big screen TV, healthcare and fridge full of beer, etc. There are no involuntary "poor" in the US, and the ones elsewhere live under oppressive socialist governments in fact, regardless of the oligarchs running it.

"...How often do many people pretend not to see the poor! To them the poor do not exist..."

- Pope Francis (5/18/16)​

"...Some simply content themselves with blaming the poor and the poorer countries themselves for their troubles; indulging in unwarranted generalizations, they claim that the solution is an “education” that would tranquilize them, making them tame and harmless. All this becomes even more exasperating for the marginalized in the light of the widespread and deeply rooted corruption found in many countries – in their governments, businesses and institutions – whatever the political ideology of their leaders..."

- Pope Francis (11/24/13, no. 60)


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[1213]

That would be nice, but it doesn't work, which is why literally no country in the world today uses charity alone, and what happened during the Great Depression here showed us that it doesn't work here either.

I don't like paying taxes either, but they're a necessity in every single society in this world.

On my behalf it is not about what I like, but what is good and right and stealing is not right. And socialism has always been really bad. For example, in Germany socialistic system (National socialists, Nazis) caused really bad things and in Soviet Union internationalist socialists (= communists = globalists) were maybe even worse. Always when socialists have ruled, they have been evil totalitarian governments.

 

[metis]

On my behalf it is not about what I like, but what is good and right and stealing is not right. And socialism has always been really bad. For example, in Germany socialistic system (National socialists, Nazis) caused really bad things and in Soviet Union internationalist socialists (= communists = globalists) were maybe even worse. Always when socialists have ruled, they have been evil totalitarian governments.

All countries today are referred to as "mixed economies" by economists, thus having a mixture of both capitalistic and socialistic programs. There are various forms of socialism, and there is no complete socialist country in the world today, including even countries like China and North Korea, both of which do have some free markets. Here in the States, we have programs like Social Security and Medicare that are socialistic programs as these are not personal bank accounts.

Jesus never opposed the idea of taxes ("render unto Caesar..."), but he did mandate helping the poor. If he had opposed taxes, including those designed to help the poor, he would have been in violation of Torah. On top of that, it would hurt the poor that Jesus over and over again said we must help.

To put it another way, we are not to be greedy but benevolent, and to oppose programs designed to help the poor and downtrodden is the antithesis of what he taught.