Nothing Has Changed...

[nPeace]

I don't want to ruin anyone's jugular, but let us set matters straight.

In short, the official crime statistics which is usually police-recorded crime figures are usually inaccurate leaving a large amount of dark figure uncovered. Alternatives like victim surveys show that the true volume of crime could be up to 4 times the crimes displayed in police figures (although mostly are petty crimes). As such, while the police crime figures offer a statistics of wide-coverage, it should not be seen as a conclusive proof for the true amount of crime which is happening around us.

Sheriff: Years of crime data ‘inaccurate’
According to the sheriff, about 70,000 incidents between 2016 and 2021 were “floating in the back end” of the office’s computer system, unaccounted for, largely due to errors in how addresses were entered. About 40,000 of those have been fixed so far, he said.

Not all of those 70,000 incidents resulted in a crime report, according to the sheriff’s office. The office receives about 200,000 calls for service each year.

Hard evidence: how accurate are British crime statistics?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Pinker's book? Has that gone to heaven amd returned pure? What makes that so special, besides the fact that the figures don't contradict what you tend to want to believe?

You haven't read it then.

 

[joelr]

Definitely. Crime has spiked since 2020, and we've had record breaking homicide rates throughout the country since. Youth violence especially has skyrocketed.

Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2021

1990 750,000 incidents


2020 420,000

2021 395,000


violent crime has gone way down in the U.S, since 1990

 

[joelr]

Everything remains the same.

Really?

Is lawlessness on the increase?

Statistics do not demonstrate this at all. Some anecdotal videos from youtube do not answer to the past 20 years of statistics. There are always videos around of crime in any year. This takes 5 minutes to check pewresearch, statistica and so on. The rapture is not coming and was written as an event happening soon.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Actually violent crime is way down compared to 1990. See the following graph: Reported violent crime rate in the U.S. 2021 | Statista
The year highest in crime was 1991. The year that was lowest was 2016. You can say we are more violent now than in 2016. But when you look back to 1991, you see we are doing pretty darn well.

When we discussed this in my university class, I learned that a major theory in this drop in crime has to do with the boomer generation simply aging out. You see, almost all violent crime is done by young men. In 1990 we had considerably more young men, thus we had more violent crime then.

I thought so too.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It can't be, atheists said that with secularism things will only get better, that is why we can reject Bible that says "don't murder".

*blinks*

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's the liberals who destroy neighborhoods with their policies and cause crime to go up.

if that's the case, then why do far more liberal nations in the western world not have this problem?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It can't be, atheists said that with secularism things will only get better, that is why we can reject Bible that says "don't murder".

Civilized people don't require a bible to tell them that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It's the liberals who destroy neighborhoods with their policies and cause crime to go up.

"According to 2019 FBI data, seven out of ten states with the highest per-capita rates of violent crime voted Republican in the 2020 election. In contrast, seven out of ten states with the lowest rates voted Democrat."
Fact Brief: Do red states report higher rates of violent crime than blue states? | Gigafact

 

[Wildswanderer]

"According to 2019 FBI data, seven out of ten states with the highest per-capita rates of violent crime voted Republican in the 2020 election. In contrast, seven out of ten states with the lowest rates voted Democrat."
Fact Brief: Do red states report higher rates of violent crime than blue states? | Gigafact

Look at the most violent cities. Who is in charge?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Look at the most violent cities. Who is in charge?

Here in california, it's not the mayors who are the problem, but the District Attorneys. Los Angeles' district attorney Gascon is facing a second recall effort, becuase they man simply won't prosecute criminals. My understanding is that the district attoney in San Francisco was so bad, and crime got so out of control, that even highly progressive San Franciscans voted him out of office.

The number one job of a governement is to protect us from foreign invaders. The number two job is to protect us from criminals here at home. It is dsigraceful and an abuse of power when those in charge of this do not do their jobs.

 

[nPeace]

Statistics do not demonstrate this at all. Some anecdotal videos from youtube do not answer to the past 20 years of statistics. There are always videos around of crime in any year. This takes 5 minutes to check pewresearch, statistica and so on. The rapture is not coming and was written as an event happening soon.

From the many reports from media, and officers themselves, it appears this is correct.
While our government reports reflect falling trends of violent crime, our news — coupled with our own observations — paint a different image. Lawlessness is rampant and growing.

It's not farfetched, for nations to paint a different picture, in order to "look good".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

From the many reports from media, and officers themselves, it appears this is correct.
While our government reports reflect falling trends of violent crime, our news — coupled with our own observations — paint a different image. Lawlessness is rampant and growing.

It's not farfetched, for nations to paint a different picture, in order to "look good".

The media is driven by profits. The scarier the picture they paint, the more likely a viewer will remain engaged, and then see the commercials. Thus, the media is totally skewed to paint pictures that are scarier than reality would really indicate.

I know that in California, we are suffering a severe drought. So now it is raining. Do you think the media is doing stories on how wonderful it is that it is raining at last? No. They are focusing on things like mudslides. You can't win with them.

The media is painting a picture that US society is out of control with violence. The truth is that violent crime is half, HALF, what it was in 1990.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It can't be, atheists said that with secularism things will only get better, that is why we can reject Bible that says "don't murder".

Oh my! Such a misrepresentation. I might as well point out the Bible says that it is fine to own slaves including sex slaves.

How about trying to represent what people actually believe? When you use such a poor argument you only make your side look bad.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It can't be, atheists said that with secularism things will only get better, that is why we can reject Bible that says "don't murder".

Oh my gosh. What a misrepresentation of most athests, who by and large tend to be more moral than the average person. I've known many atheists, and none of them have thought it was okay to murder.

 

[joelr]

From the many reports from media, and officers themselves, it appears this is correct.
While our government reports reflect falling trends of violent crime, our news — coupled with our own observations — paint a different image. Lawlessness is rampant and growing.

It's not farfetched, for nations to paint a different picture, in order to "look good".

I'm talking about stats and you post an op piece designed to scare readers into feeling like they need to keep reading the news to find out all the crazy happening around them. This is cheap journalism tactics 101.
OPINION
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
The paper is painting the image. Fear sells.




there are statistics on personal property crime as well

In 2021, the nationwide rate of property crime in the United States was 1,933.4 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease from the previous year, when the rate of property crimes stood at 2,025 cases per 100,000 of the population.

 

[nPeace]

I'm talking about stats and you post an op piece designed to scare readers into feeling like they need to keep reading the news to find out all the crazy happening around them. This is cheap journalism tactics 101.
OPINION
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
The paper is painting the image. Fear sells.




there are statistics on personal property crime as well

In 2021, the nationwide rate of property crime in the United States was 1,933.4 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease from the previous year, when the rate of property crimes stood at 2,025 cases per 100,000 of the population.

...and just this one case says they dont actually exist, right?
Sheriff: Years of crime data ‘inaccurate’
According to the sheriff, about 70,000 incidents between 2016 and 2021 were “floating in the back end” of the office’s computer system, unaccounted for, largely due to errors in how addresses were entered. About 40,000 of those have been fixed so far, he said.

Edit:
...and @joelr how do you respond to this...
In short, the official crime statistics which is usually police-recorded crime figures are usually inaccurate leaving a large amount of dark figure uncovered. Alternatives like victim surveys show that the true volume of crime could be up to 4 times the crimes displayed in police figures (although mostly are petty crimes). As such, while the police crime figures offer a statistics of wide-coverage, it should not be seen as a conclusive proof for the true amount of crime which is happening around us.

We might as well, throw in one more.
Why Crime Statistics Fail To Accurately Reflect The Amount Of Crime Committed
However, although using the British Crime Survey and in conjunction with the police recordings there are still an inaccurate number of crime statistics being committed. Official crime statistics are overwhelmed with a ‘dark figure’ the gap between the degree of crime which is committed and of that, that gets recorded onto the official crime statistics is often reported as the dark figure of crime. It is reported that only half of the crime that has been committed is reported by the police. Koffman (1996) reported that crime statistics are not always the legitimacy of the actual crime that has been committed ‘it’s widely accepted that these are official crime statistics, based on offences reported to and recorded by the police, provide a poor reflection of all crimes that are actually committed each year.’

 

[1213]

Oh my gosh. What a misrepresentation of most athests, who by and large tend to be more moral than the average person. I've known many atheists, and none of them have thought it was okay to murder.

I can agree that not all atheists are the same. But many atheists say that people should reject the Bible. And by doing so, they would also reject the "don't murder" part of the Bible.

Atheism is nowadays only "lack of belief in God", it has no teachings of good and right and it offers no moral. If atheist has moral, it comes from somewhere else than atheism.

 

[1213]

Oh my! Such a misrepresentation. I might as well point out the Bible says that it is fine to own slaves including sex slaves.

How about trying to represent what people actually believe? When you use such a poor argument you only make your side look bad.

If you support mandatory taxes, you also support slavery.

But, I don't think Bible supports slavery, if we take the whole book.

And what I said about atheists is based on what I have heard them saying. But, it does not mean all atheists all necessary the same.

 

[1213]

Civilized people don't require a bible to tell them that.

Where do they get the idea, if not from the Bible? And where does their source get the idea, if not from the Bible?