Perhaps the all-powerful Being is that which is infinitely Singular before the initial expansion of space/time as well as that which is at the bottom of black holes. It is a Divine Unity that self-regulates and emanates all expressions of existence as infinite potentials, which unfold into vast universes. It is aimless yet acts according to its own nature as the Foundation of All Becoming. It invites the human mind towards contemplation and the human being to center itself within its Eternal Equilibrium.
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Nothing vs Never Ending
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
My religion teaches that nothing, something, time and space are creations of the one true attributive creator God:
[2:118] He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a thing, He does only say to it, Be! and it is.
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online
Koldo
Outstanding Member
If you/God/anyone can imagine 'nothing' then it is not the 'nothing' i am talking about.
Wouldn't it be the point where a second dimension comes into being? What do you think?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
The universe has always been 4-dimensional. (Or more, but we don't have much evidence behind that.)
Space IS contained. Just like the surface of the earth is contained within a two dimensional space. So long as you're restricted to that two dimensional space you can never raech the moon which requires access to the third dimension. So the earth's surface is said to be finite but unbounded. Likewise, according to Einstein, (who was no dope), the universe is finite but unbounded. If you could travel to the most distant place in the universe ( about 14 billion light years away) and peer another 14 billion light years into space you'd see the earth, sun and milky way galaxy! This is because space curves back in on itself just like the surface of the earth. Thus you cannot travel any distance in the universe in a straight line just as you cannot travel great distances on earth in a straight line. The difference is the earth's surface is a two dimensional space while the universe is a three dimensional space.
To say that what's outside of space or beyond our universe doesn't make sense is true. That's because our brains are three dimensional and are trapped and limited in those three dimensions. To talk of "beyond the universe" or "outside of space" would reqire a fourth spatial dimension which is inaccessible to us and inconceivable. It cannot be visualized or conceptualized.
I just realized that the story of 2D land was actually 3D, including a dimension of time.
That means a truly 2D world would be utter unity.
That's cool.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Thank you. I guess you know then that a cube is a square raised into the third dimension and a tesseract is a cube raised into the fourth dimension. To construct such a thing it would be necessary to be able to construct four axes, each one perpendicular to the other three. Being restricted to three dimensions makes that impossible. Just as impossible as traveling beyond the confines of our universe.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
I find it best to think of our universe as a combination of dimensions. Absent any one of these dimensions this would be a completely different universe altogether.
Outside of our universe, the dimensions are not combined in the same way they are inside of it. Its entirely likely that they are all present and simply aren't combined or are combined in some other way, or maybe there are completely new dimensions that aren't in our universe at all. In any case, outside of the combination we happen to live in, we can't exist. We are a product of this combination as much as everything else in the universe is. Which means 'leaving' this combination is not possible. It isn't so much that there is 'nothing' outside of our universe, its that you would be nothing outside of our universe.
In my opinion, it is entirely likely that there are other combinations of dimensions that are identical to our own. But this is not nearly as likely as completely alien combinations that do not resemble our universe in any way and would be incomprehensible to us.
So, when I think of the beginning of time or space, I imagine these things had always existed, but just weren't combined until the big bang. That's a beginning in every sense of the word.
Outside of our universe, the dimensions are not combined in the same way they are inside of it. Its entirely likely that they are all present and simply aren't combined or are combined in some other way, or maybe there are completely new dimensions that aren't in our universe at all. In any case, outside of the combination we happen to live in, we can't exist. We are a product of this combination as much as everything else in the universe is. Which means 'leaving' this combination is not possible. It isn't so much that there is 'nothing' outside of our universe, its that you would be nothing outside of our universe.
In my opinion, it is entirely likely that there are other combinations of dimensions that are identical to our own. But this is not nearly as likely as completely alien combinations that do not resemble our universe in any way and would be incomprehensible to us.
So, when I think of the beginning of time or space, I imagine these things had always existed, but just weren't combined until the big bang. That's a beginning in every sense of the word.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Time, space, nothing and something etc. are all creations of the one true attributive creator God, in my opinion.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
How do you create something which must already exist before the creation happens?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I don't create; it is the one true attributive creator God who has done the creation.
My religion tell me:
[40:63] Such is Allah, your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no God but He. How then are you turned away?
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online
Time, space, something and nothing etc. are all His creation, in my opinion.
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
That was a general 'you'; please answer the question.