I can't say who is more so....those fearful of guns, or those who have guns because they're fearful.
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Obama and the Left....Excell as Salesmen for Firearm Manufactures
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Underhill
Well-Known Member
You don't have to be fearful of guns to want to regulate them. I have wondered if some nut with an arsenal might some day be a problem out here in the hinterlands, but it's doubtful.
I simply see regulation and holding people responsible as a logical step to curb gun violence.
I simply see regulation and holding people responsible as a logical step to curb gun violence.
Aye, the real issue is in the specific steps to be taken.
Most, even us gun nuts can agree on this.
dust1n
Zindīq
I'm confused about what this article has to do with Obama or the left? Gun sales spike after all these shootings. This is nothing new.
Scott C.
Just one guy
I own one .22 caliber pistol. That's hardly an assault weapon. My two sons-in-law conceal carry. My wife just got her conceal carry permit. She doesn't own a gun yet. While I don't feel the need to conceal carry, I do feel a little more safe when I'm with my sons-in-law. I'm hardly a right wing nut with massive weapons and ammo stored in my basement in preparation for the day of reckoning. However, I feel very strongly that all law abiding citizens have an inalienable right to self defense, which includes gun ownership. The fact that I know that I "can" get a gun if and when I want one, is important to me. I plan to buy a shotgun sometime in the next year or two. But if I think that it will be more difficult over time, because of anti-gun ownership legislation, then I'm motivated to buy it now. The same goes for ammo. This is not irrational or fearful behavior. It makes perfect sense when our government leaders threaten to restrict or remove what I consider to be a basic and important right as a U.S. citizen.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Gun laws are necessary. No one wants to take away all guns, people want to make it very difficult to get one. Criminals in a strict gun law state will go to a weaker gun law state to buy guns.
It is the NRA and some people that want people on the no-fly list to be able to purchase guns.
George HW Bush was right to cancel his lifetime membership with the NRA decades ago. The NRA is a panic mongering propaganda outlet that lobby's for the gun/ammo manufacturers. They stopped listening to their members ages ago.
It is the NRA and some people that want people on the no-fly list to be able to purchase guns.
George HW Bush was right to cancel his lifetime membership with the NRA decades ago. The NRA is a panic mongering propaganda outlet that lobby's for the gun/ammo manufacturers. They stopped listening to their members ages ago.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Sales spike because the right wing will go out and say some panic mongering stuff. I'll give you an example. "After this shooting, Obama will be banning all guns"
That's all it takes and the low educated populace runs out and spends money. Fear sells.
esmith
Veteran Member
Let me try and explain it this way using my current experience and feedback from others. I have wanted a certain firearm and have held off purchasing it due to financial reason. Others that I know and are acquainted with others have also been wanting to purchase various firearms. When the Obama made his no substance speech on Sunday along with the Hillary's comments and his on anti-gun regulations, it basically woke us up. Could you call it fear that drove us to making purchases at this time? To be honest, the answer is yes. For most of us it was not the fear of "bad guys", but the fear of our own government making it harder or impossible to obtain a firearm. We know that the Obama and others of his ilk want to introduce more restrictions on firearms.. Now as long as the Republicans hold the Congress along with sensible Democrats (like Bernie) when it comes to firearms, no laws will be passed that further restrict our rights or drives up the cost of firearms and ammunition. However, we have seen that the Obama likes to use executive orders to achieve his agenda. Now the Obama could attempt to push his agenda with an executive order and it would take a court action to nullify his end run around Congress, but that could take time. Therefore, many of us decided to make our purchases now, vice waiting in fear of the Obama's stance on gun-control or the price going up (for various reason beside the Obama possible attack on firearms). Additionally with the understanding that when people are scared (which the Obama did not alleviate) leads people to think, and rightly so, there is a possibility that they or there family's safety might be at stake come to the conclusion that they might have to protect themselves or their family rush out and by firearms. I posted a link about a sheriff in upstate NY that basically said arm yourself. Now one of our liberal forum members seemed to be upset about this, or was it the other article , and said it was boring. Well, if you lived in that county or any other place that local law enforcement implied , or actually said, arm yourself wouldn't one do so? Now I don't know how many of those purchasing firearms were first time buyers or experienced shooters, it doesn't matter, these purchases made firearms more difficulty to obtain due to a eventual shortage. Thus the asking cost of the firearms will go up (good capitalistic move) and I for one and others would rather purchase at the present cost vice an inflated cost. Now, back to our first time buyers. Most of them will purchase the firearm and a box of defensive rounds, take it home and never use it or even practice with it. Now, I and others fear these people more than a "bad-guy". Why you ask? Simple, most of them do not have a clue on the basic operations and/or safety procedures associated with the firearm. They, mishandle it and shoot themselves, or leave it around where an unauthorized person gets it and either shoots themselves or someone else, thus lending more ammunition to the anti-gun crowd. Do, I feel sorry for those people or the ones that are killed or injured? The answer is yes, I feel sorry for them but I do not feel responsible for their actions. I am not my brothers keeper.
esmith
Veteran Member
Partially correct. Anyone 18 years or older may purchase a rifle or shotgun not a handgun in any state from a dealer who holds a FFL.
Do you know the reason behind this stance? Didn't think so. Maybe the following link will help explain. But I doubt it. Seems that there are those that are blinded by liberal propaganda
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/no-fly-mistakes-cat-stevens-ted-kennedy-john-lewis/
No, the NRA is the only organization that stands up for the million of legal, law-abiding gun owners in the US. We have to have an organization that speaks for us. We individually do not have a chance against the onslaught of anti-gun groups, we have to have a united voice and that voice is the NRA. Which as a Proud Life Member I support in all respects.
In short, the left typically calls for ill considered gun control measures after a shooting.
Tis this reaction which inspires purchasing a commodity which might become in short supply.
dust1n
Zindīq
Right, so basically no different then when, "In 1989, then-President George H.W. Bush halted the importation of some semi-automatic firearms that could be considered “assault weapons” under existing legal authority provided by the 1968 Gun Control Act, under the determination that they were not “particularly suitable for or readily adapting to sporting purposes.”
Bush used his executive powers after a career criminal killed five kids and wounded 29 others with an AK-47 assault rifle on Jan. 27, 1989, in California."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-controversial-than-others.html#ixzz2I0NThhdu
You mean like every single president?
I mean, some might, but I wouldn't arm myself if the sheriff told me to arm myself. I'd probably be looking into voting for a different sheriff.
So you fear these people don't know how to use guns but bought some anyways, more so than people who do know how to use them and intentionally target innocent people? Ah, well buy some more guns before then.
dust1n
Zindīq
So gun collectors fear losing the best prices on guns that they are anticipating purchasing at some point anyways. I guess it's no different than when Republicans double down on Marijuana legislation, I fear not being about to get my illicit substances at the normal rate, so I go out and buy more when it's cheaper. I am, of course, referring to legally-dubious tobacco water pipes.
I don't think serious collectors are so motivated by this.
It's more like.....
"Ruger Mini 14s are cool, & this might be my last chance to get one."
That's the motive I see in acquaintances.
That could be, but I don't know anyone in that market.
We gun nuts....but we're sober gun nuts.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Doesn't matter. If someone is placed on the list by mistake and are looking to buy a gun, it's their problem to correct it. Just because a tiny percentage of people may 'accidently' be put on the list, doesn't mean the large majority should be allowed to buy a gun.
That's republican spin.
dust1n
Zindīq
Who other than a collector would be purchasing a Ruger Mini 14? Either way, they are classics. Took out 14 feminists in Canada, and 69 people in Denmark.
Supply and demand works as straight-forward for drugs as it does guns.
It's useful for hunting, self-defense & for when/if the sublithic coprolites hit the fan.
I got one back when Clinton's ban loomed.
I later sold it when it became clear that long term investment potential was low.
(I don't have any guns for when the revolution comes. Seems to unlikely to be worth preparing for. My paranoia is trumped by my sloth.)
No doubt.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Thankfully I live in a civilised country where guns are controlled.
I only know one person who owns a gun and that gun is licensed and permanently locked up; he uses it to shoot clay pigeons about once a month.
I wouldn't know where to buy a gun, although I suppose a quick internet search or a word with my friend would show me somewhere. Hand guns are totally banned.
Most of the police in this country do not carry guns.
Yes, there are occasional shootings in this country the rate was 0.26 per 100,000 people which is way too high although over half those deaths were suicide.
The rate in the USA is 10.5 per 100,000 again a high proportion were suicides.
Tell me again why it is safer to have a free for all on gun ownership like in the USA
I only know one person who owns a gun and that gun is licensed and permanently locked up; he uses it to shoot clay pigeons about once a month.
I wouldn't know where to buy a gun, although I suppose a quick internet search or a word with my friend would show me somewhere. Hand guns are totally banned.
Most of the police in this country do not carry guns.
Yes, there are occasional shootings in this country the rate was 0.26 per 100,000 people which is way too high although over half those deaths were suicide.
The rate in the USA is 10.5 per 100,000 again a high proportion were suicides.
Tell me again why it is safer to have a free for all on gun ownership like in the USA
tytlyf
Not Religious
Everyone must have a gun to be ready for the tyrannical government coming for you.
esmith
Veteran Member
That's what I thought. You don't seem to understand. Let say If someone, like you, goes into a business to buy something on credit but is turned down because of a credit rating mistake, it's their problem to correct it. Right? . Just because a tiny percentage of people may 'accidentally' have their credit score wrong doesn't mean the large majority who's credit is bad should be allowed to purchase something on credit. Right? So, if it did happen to you would you consider it fair and just struggle for years to get the mistake corrected. Obviously you think so. No exactly apples to apples, but I think you get the idea....Maybe(?)