Obama and the Left....Excell as Salesmen for Firearm Manufactures

[tytlyf]

That's what I thought. You don't seem to understand. Let say If someone, like you, goes into a business to buy something on credit but is turned down because of a credit rating mistake, it's their problem to correct it. Right? . Just because a tiny percentage of people may 'accidentally' have their credit score wrong doesn't mean the large majority who's credit is bad should be allowed to purchase something on credit. Right? So, if it did happen to you would you consider it fair and just struggle for years to get the mistake corrected. Obviously you think so. No exactly apples to apples, but I think you get the idea....Maybe(?)

Correct, if someone is accidentally placed on the list it doesn't give the real problem people the right to own a gun. The gun lobby buys up republicans in congress, they are the ones making sure profits remain and no restrictions on profits take place.

If there is a mistake, it's my problem to contact the agency to correct the wrong. It doesn't give the people with horrible credit the right to keep buying things they shouldn't be.

 

[esmith]

Who other than a collector would be purchasing a Ruger Mini 14? Either way, they are classics. Took out 14 feminists in Canada, and 69 people in Denmark..

I guess there are a lot of collectors out there.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Ruger-Mini-14/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Ruger+Mini+14
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Ruger-MINI-and-MINI-Thirty-Semiautomatic-Rifles/1381527.uts
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/03/8-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-ruger-mini-14/
http://www.basspro.com/Ruger-Mini14-Ranch-Rifle/product/10218139/
http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html

But to tell you the truth I would rather have the Ruger AR15

 

[esmith]

Correct, if someone is accidentally placed on the list it doesn't give the real problem people the right to own a gun. The gun lobby buys up republicans in congress, they are the ones making sure profits remain and no restrictions on profits take place.

If there is a mistake, it's my problem to contact the agency to correct the wrong. It doesn't give the people with horrible credit the right to keep buying things they shouldn't be.

So you wouldn't be pissed off at the world because of some ***holes mistake you couldn't by that brand new camera that just hit the dealers shelves.

 

[Mycroft]

But to tell you the truth I would rather have the Ruger AR15

Why?

 

[esmith]

Thankfully I live in a civilised country where guns are controlled.
I only know one person who owns a gun and that gun is licensed and permanently locked up; he uses it to shoot clay pigeons about once a month.
I wouldn't know where to buy a gun, although I suppose a quick internet search or a word with my friend would show me somewhere. Hand guns are totally banned.
Most of the police in this country do not carry guns.
Yes, there are occasional shootings in this country the rate was 0.26 per 100,000 people which is way too high although over half those deaths were suicide.
The rate in the USA is 10.5 per 100,000 again a high proportion were suicides.

Tell me again why it is safer to have a free for all on gun ownership like in the USA

I feel sorry for you. But I guess I understand, you have had the heel of the royalty on your necks for centuries. That's why we had a revolution here.

 

[tytlyf]

So you wouldn't be pissed off at the world because of some ***holes mistake you couldn't by that brand new camera that just hit the dealers shelves.

Sure, but I'd be contacting the phone number on the back of the card immediately to correct the mistake. Mistakes happen and can be corrected. Just because mistakes happen, doesn't give free reign to people with real problems to do as they please.
Like I said, the republicans are against this because it hurts profits. They are bought and paid for by the gun industry. They will use their media outlets to spin for them as well. They're all in it together.

Republicans and their media were crying over Obama's recent speech because he didn't hint at more military involvement. The military industrial complex is a part of the gun industry you know. They want profits at the expense of people.

 

[esmith]

Why?

Not as expensive as the Colt AR15.

 

[dust1n]

I guess there are a lot of collectors out there.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Ruger-Mini-14/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Ruger+Mini+14
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Ruger-MINI-and-MINI-Thirty-Semiautomatic-Rifles/1381527.uts
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/03/8-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-ruger-mini-14/
http://www.basspro.com/Ruger-Mini14-Ranch-Rifle/product/10218139/
http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html

Just curious... out of all the gun owners you know personally, how many have one gun, in ratio to those who have more? I can't think of any offhand. I think my dad even has two pistols. I suspect he may have gotten more since the government is about to make it impossible to get specific types of weapons that will either more expensive to get later, or worse, grandfathered into the list of exceptable weapons.

But to tell you the truth I would rather have the Ruger AR15

Comic book fans often dispute which portrayal of Batman best depicts the real Batman. It's what collectors do.

 

[Mycroft]

Not as expensive as the Colt AR15.

Why would you want to own any kind of assault rifle?

 

[esmith]

Sure, but I'd be contacting the phone number on the back of the card immediately to correct the mistake. Mistakes happen and can be corrected. Just because mistakes happen, doesn't give free reign to people with real problems to do as they please.
Like I said, the republicans are against this because it hurts profits. They are bought and paid for by the gun industry. They will use their media outlets to spin for them as well. They're all in it together.

Well maybe I shouldn't have used a camera as an example since you can buy it on a credit card. How about a new car that will require financing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And just were are your facts on your statement. Ah, I see......you don't need facts, right?

According to Pew, Republicans make up nearly half of all gun owners (49%), whereas Democrats don't even have half-as-many gun owners (22%); Conservatives as a group (41%) also heavily outweigh Liberals (23%). Men barely have more guns than women, rural gun owners heavily outweigh urban and sub-urban gun owners, and white people (41%) own a crap-load more guns than black people (19%).
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...aphics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/

Fear of reduced availability in the future doesn't really rise to the level of fear relating to danger.

It's fear of both that drive sales. Fear of danger is a given, and sales see a spike after mass shootings, but they also increase when someone grabs a bullhorn and starts screaming that the government is going to take the guns away.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/04/gun-sales-new-legislation-sales/71703118/
Renewed calls for more restrictive gun laws, following a succession of fatal shootings in the United States, immediately appear to be generating a boost for the gun industry.

This is not irrational or fearful behavior. It makes perfect sense when our government leaders threaten to restrict or remove what I consider to be a basic and important right as a U.S. citizen.

Actually it is irrational because gun regulations have been generally relaxed.

For most of us it was not the fear of "bad guys", but the fear of our own government making it harder or impossible to obtain a firearm.

Except they are not, at all, proposing to make them impossible to get and guns do need to be harder to get.

We know that the Obama and others of his ilk want to introduce more restrictions on firearms.

Except he has hardly done this. Even before he actually did call on some legislation, people were accusing him of trying to take their guns even when he wasn't.

Let say If someone, like you, goes into a business to buy something on credit but is turned down because of a credit rating mistake, it's their problem to correct it.

Credit mistakes do not kill like mass-shooters who are displaying red flags being able to legally acquire guns and stockpile ammo. The recent California shooting may highlight this, as it was known the guy had been in contact with people being watched, yet he legally acquired his guns.

Why would you want to own any kind of assault rifle?

The AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. The vast majority of people who own them use them for hunting and/or competitive shooting, some for home defense, and not very often for crime (as that distinction goes to handguns), and you just don't find them on the battlefield were assault rifles are used. If you consider the AR-15 an assault rifle, then many shotguns would easily be classified as an assault rifle as well.

 

[esmith]

Why would you want to own any kind of assault rifle?

Because they scare the living **** out of liberals.

To be honest I like firing it. Just in my DNA and background.
And that's D(amed) N(asty) A(ttitude)

 

[Mycroft]

The AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle.The vast majority of people who own them use them for hunting and/or competitive shooting, some for home defense, and not very often for crime (as that distinction goes to handguns).

Isn't using an AR-15 to hunt something of an overkill? Surely all you need is a good hunting rifle.

 

[Mycroft]

Because they scare the living **** out of liberals.

Why would you want to do that?[/quote]

 

[esmith]

The AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. The vast majority of people who own them use them for hunting and/or competitive shooting, some for home defense, and not very often for crime (as that distinction goes to handguns), and you just don't find them on the battlefield were assault rifles are used. If you consider the AR-15 an assault rifle, then many shotguns would easily be classified as an assault rifle as well.

I didn't want to state the above because most of those that want to restrict certain firearms disagree with you. And having the reputation that I have on this forum it would be next to impossible for me to make that statement and be taken seriously. Thanks for stating the truth. But I fear your reputation might be damaged amongst some on here.

 

[Altfish]

I feel sorry for you. But I guess I understand, you have had the heel of the royalty on your necks for centuries. That's why we had a revolution here.

Why did you duck my question?
I'll repeat it, "Tell me again why it is safer to have a free for all on gun ownership like in the USA?"

 

[esmith]

Isn't using an AR-15 to hunt something of an overkill? Surely all you need is a good hunting rifle.

no the AR15 is .224 inches in diameter. Note many people including me say Ruger AR15 vice what it really is Rugger AR556 chambered in .223 which is also .224 inches in diameter with the same case length as the 5.56x45 NATO
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/29/ruger-ar-556-modern-sporting-rifle-ruger-ar-15-budget/
Now the Colt AR15A4 is chambered in 5.56X45 NATO
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/AR15A4.aspx
Now can you interchange 5.56X45 and .223? Yes and No.
http://thearmsguide.com/645/is-there-a-difference-between-223-and-5-56/

Probably too much information but you opened the door.

 

[esmith]

Why did you duck my question?
I'll repeat it, "Tell me again why it is safer to have a free for all on gun ownership like in the USA?"

What do you mean by "free for all on gun ownership"? Be specific please.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But I fear your reputation might be damaged amongst some on here.

Probably not nearly as much as when I start posting pro-drug stuff about how information and knowledge dispells myths and fears, and point out that our perception of drugs is so erroneous that we don't even consider caffeine a drug, and we don't even bat an eye towards its widespread abuse and rampant addiction.

Isn't using an AR-15 to hunt something of an overkill? Surely all you need is a good hunting rifle.

For some stuff it would be overkill (smaller game such as squirrels and rabbits), for some it would be adequate (larger game, such as moose, is what most people hunt with it), and sometimes it wouldn't be the best option to take with you (such as with duck hunting). It all just depends on what you are hunting, the laws regarding what ammo may or may not be used, and local state and municipal laws. And by "hunting rifle," I assume you mean the more typical bolt-action rifles, which for some hunts may be suitable, and some people prefer them because they are lighter (usually) than a loaded AR-15.

 

[esmith]

Because they scare the living **** out of liberals.

Why would you want to do that?

Because of my DNA. (see post to explain DNA) and I was being facetious