tytlyf
Not Religious
Careful, esmith is an expert on your state.
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Obama creates two nature preserves
- Thread starter Quetzal
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Don't stop there! @esmith is an expert at everything that has to do with anything. Just ask him!
Yeah for the pillagers of the planet! Let's not worry about that silly old "math" stuff! Pillage, pillage, besmirch, despoil, take no care for the morrow, screw our grandkids, drill baby drill! Let's deplete our topsoil, let's drain our aquifers, those things take a mere hundreds of thousands of years to replenish, who cares! Yippee!
tytlyf
Not Religious
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I feel honored being called a "tree-hugger idiot" because I actually feel that our precious resources need to be protected and used carefully. I guess I have a problem with those who seemingly don't care about our resources, much like some of them don't seem to care much about other people as well, such as those who want the ACA dropped, thus taking well over 20 million Americans off the insurance that they have bought.
I guess some people just are really into themselves as they live in their own little self-centered "Bubble". [this is not in reference to you]
esmith
Veteran Member
ah you mean the elites or as the Rev said in post#17 and I quote
"sip'n wine & eat'n brie while you discuss feelings with metrosexual lifestyle consultants in your stylish yurt."
He, the Rev, doesn't judge them but I pity them.
I am also from Oregon, and grew up on a farm where we sold yearling Herefords and sheep's wool (as well as Christmas trees). And the ranchers complaining about land-grabs here have a selfish ultimatum of regulation-free use and abuse of land that doesn't belong to them. Despite the fact that actual agricultural and forestry service experts have told them multiple times that overgrazing and land clearing has in fact put animals at risk (including the land grouse and other wildlife competition, eroding streams, brushfire damage.) And here in the West, leasing federal land for ranchers is much cheaper than in the East (which produces way more beef than the West anyway, fake cowboys). If you're chaffing at reasonable regulation, go lease private land or buy the land you want to ranch on yourself.
esmith
Veteran Member
I care about our land, but we don't need no nothings back in Washington or in their elitist private jets attempting to set policies that they no nothing about. We out here have tried to work with the bureaucracy of those agency charged with overseeing public land. In some cases we have prevailed and have shown that both sides of the issues can be addressed and a solution can be reached that both sides can agree to. I give you the Boulder White Cloud issue here in Idaho that was resolved after many hours of give and take by both sides. See Boulder White Cloud I have no problems with this type of give and take. My main objection is not taking under consideration the people of the State that the "land grab" affected. We that enjoy and use the outdoors in many ways, which include ranchers, feel that we are better stewards of the land than the those in the environmentalist camp and the political world of those that do no live out here and can only see their side of the issue. What works back on the East or West coast does not work out here.
Let me ask you a question. If you owned land that bordered public land and that land was a tinder box and a fire started next to your property would you attempt to put it out? Well you would be breaking the law if you did and the BLM would come down hard on you. However, the issue has been addressed by both parties and the issue was resolved at least in this area. You can now fight that fire. So I'm not objecting to what was done only how it was done.
Did you gain your pretentiousness over time or acquire it all at once?
esmith
Veteran Member
No I have never suffered fools gladly
tytlyf
Not Religious
You pity who? Successful business people? The rich? Who? Ya, shame on people who make money and don't live in Idaho. The only people left in Idaho are the ones who can't afford to leave. Like most of the fly over states.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
They even grow lousy potatoes, as Michigan potatoes are far superior.
Well, it was either that or stay in Chicago where I grew up. But I figured 19 years of brain danmage and sexual dysfunction from sniffing the toxic fumes emanating from Lake Michigan was enough.
Where did you say you were from btw?
Then you're wasting a lot of emotion on mostly imaginary people.
Don't let that stop you though. Got to do something with all that excess.
Revoltistan!
As an actual westerner, I fail to see the difference. How do the complainants think they're being harmed by this "land grab" -- if they're not planning to drill, mine, log, farm, develop and generally despoil the acreage in question?
But in this case it's the 'progressive', government types who are opposing opposing the change (exploitation).
Conservatives are more competitive than co-operative, more short term focused than long term, more tribal and indifferent to the interests of others. They're less aware of ecology and of the history of human ecological impact, They're more emotional than analytical. They, if anyone, are the know-nothings.
I don't think of them as "our" resources. They're part of an ecological web; a life support system. Extraction > replenishment = devastation.
The "East coast elites" take the long view, they consider long-term impacts and the welfare of all, not just the short-term gain of a few locals.
But the "experts" are uneducated know-nothings who don't care about the welfare of the people!
Ah, I didn't know you were. Well, I'm on your side here.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Could have givin it back to native peoples by which those artifacts belong.
Just another photo OP. Why do parting leaders like to build "statutes" of themselves and go, " look what I did".