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Somewhere Around Nothing
I was in college here during his first election. And among many college students then, it was not an exaggeration. They literally thought Obama was going to come into office and make life in the US perfect.
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Obama Not The Meissah According To Barbara Walters.
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Somewhere Around Nothing
Lol, you should have been on RF during Bush's years. This Obama "bashing" is a tame kitten compared to those threads.
I recall the same, ie, a personality cult. Usually the voters believe in their side,
so they support the nominee. But with Obama they actually believed in the person.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I'm sure that most people who voted for Obama did so holding their nose, casting for who they considered the lesser of two evils.
Monk Of Reason
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I think most people voted for him because the real threat of a Romney/Ryan victory. Dirty politics was (as it usually is) the main drive. They "they are worse than me" argument. Both sides did it. Romney made more mistakes and made people fearful of him. (though I was fearful of him as well if he planned to back half of what he said up. but that is beside the point)
esmith
Veteran Member
If you look at it, one group voted for him because of his race, another group voted for him because they thought he was cool (BMOC), another group voted for him because they thought he would give them "stuff", then there was the group that votes party line, then we there was the group that believed his propaganda campaign (hope and change) and finally we had the national media totally enamored with him and failed to fully investigate his credentials for being president. However, Romney's campaign basically screwed the pooch. There were others that I would have rather seen win the party nomination but they also screwed the pooch. Until the libertarian party can get the nation behind them, or a Republican exhibits libertarian ideals and can win the primary......I see little hope for this country.
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Monk Of Reason
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Weird. I voted for him and I don't fit into any of those descriptions. Do you pray tell believe that it is impossible to simply agree with his politics? Or at least enough to agree with them more than Romney?
Though that is a bit of a bold claim about the libritarian party (which in my personal opinion is probably the most dangerous and destructive party aside from possibly the Tea party). Care to try and figure a reason why?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Do you mean The Libertarian Party in particular, or libertarianism in general (which is simply social liberal, fiscal conservative)?
I'm sure there were the usual reasons & factors. But I also recall an enthusiasm for the candidate that I hadn't seen since Reagan. A friend (business owner & engineer) even went to work for Obama's campaign full time. It might painful to admit it in light of Obama's disappointing performance, but genuine & fervent zeal for the man was there in a big way.
Oh, thank you! That's the nicest thing I've heard all day.
Your fear of us makes me feel that we could actually matter.
esmith
Veteran Member
So, why did you vote for him. I think I listed every possible reason for voting for him. Oh, by the way if you voted for him because you agreed with his politics does not that fall into the category I described as " group that believed his propaganda campaign (hope and change)"
tytlyf
Not Religious
Funny that you don't know what propaganda is. Hope and change isn't propaganda. You guys always stereotype democrats improperly. Mostly because you are told what to believe and don't have real world experience.
If you lived in a country that was all black and you had the first white 'possible' president, then no doubt you would be voting the same way. Just like when you say people voted for him for 'freebies.' Nope, possibly some do, but that number is so low it doesn't even matter. Your propaganda outlets do a fine job of misinforming you.
People voted for Obama twice because the fear of another republican whitehouse. That's why I voted. Nothing more, oh, and the fact that Obama was a very intelligent man who is clearly respectful of the secular constitution.
You're correct on this. "Hope & change" is not propaganda. It isn't even pandering, since
there's no real statement of anything....just empty evocation of feelings. I'd call it "puffery".
esmith
Veteran Member
So, I do not have real world experience? Not sure what you consider "real world experience". Is it seeing and interfacing with differ cultures? If so I can count at least 15 different countries I have been in; these vary from the existence of cannibals and headhunter to the ultra modern; from the dismal life of the ultra poor to the ultra rich. I have lived and worked in 8 different states, my work experience for over 40 years has encompassed the gambit from backbreaking physical labor to high tech. I am comfortable interfacing with almost anyone, yet my formal education is limited to a high school degree. I lived where segregation was the norm and still existed in the 70's. I have close friends that encompass a very wide range of society; from the service industry to executives in industry. So, I think I have a fairly well-rounded "real world experience".
As far as your comment "Obama was a very intelligent man" should say "Obama IS a very intelligent man". However, intelligence is not everything. I have known very intelligent people who couldn't pour water out of a boot unless the instructions were written on the bottom of the heel. It takes experience along with intelligence to do anything. You can have all the formal education in the world on a subject, but until you have used that education to actually do something, thus gaining experience, one is basically worthless. There is an old adage "those that can, do; those that can't teach" Obama belongs in the second half. But if I had children I wouldn't send them to an institution that he was at.
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tytlyf
Not Religious
I'm referring to what America looks like these days. In your small town, you don't have the exposure I'm talking about. I'm saying this because when you say liberals/democrats vote a certain way with such certainty, it doesn't show what they are really thinking.
So basically you use your emotions to vote?
Monk Of Reason
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Well thats not biased or anything. Actually that goes beyond biased and actually ventures into the realm of intentional ignorance. But whatever is your prerogative.
I voted for him specifically because Romney/Ryan were dangerous the literally everything I stand for. Obama has not done a great job but he hasn't done anything that was "bad" either. It was sub-par. I can handle and deal with a sub-par president. I cannot deal with tea party ignoramuses that don't know the first thing about economics and would jump into anarchy or austerity at the drop of a hat. Literally everything they said they would do I would oppose. He wanted to make it a constitutional law that homosexuals couldn't get married. That in and of itself is a crime against civil liberties. Even If I agreed with him on everything else I would have done everything in my power to make sure he didn't win because of this alone.
Civil rights trump economics any time. Though he also proved to be a blundering fool at every turn and step anyway so its not like he would have gotten my vote based on any quality that he portrayed. I actually couldn't find a single redeeming quality in him and I supported Bush half the time so that is saying something.
esmith
Veteran Member
Are you attempting to tell me that you have to live in the "big city" to understand the "real" America? If so, you have a lot to learn. You continue to amaze me in your assumption that you understand what America looks like today. When have you ever gotten more than a few miles from your place of residence? If you did happen to do so, where did you go to "understand what the USA looks like now-days?
esmith
Veteran Member
You do know don't you that Obama was against same-sex-marriage before he decided for political reasons, in all likelihood, that he was for it.
Obama Says He Is Against Same-Sex Marriage But Also Against Ending Its Practice In Calif. - ABC News
tytlyf, there are two Americas out there, one that lives along both coasts and middle America. Are you really so blind you cannot see this?