Obama Says He Is The Reason FNC IS Successful

[esmith]

Ya know, if someone watches Fox because they want to be entertained, I can understand that. Or if they watch Fox because they want to hear opinions that resonate with theirs, I can understand that. But if anyone watches Fox thinking they're actually getting news, they need to go back to kindergarten and start all over again.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I just don't happen to agree with you.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well, this is the forum culture after all, ie, the Foxphobes (who see this news source as a singular evil responsible for all that is wrong with Americastan) & the non-Democrats (who get accused of racism or believing Fox's "lies" for being anti-Obama). And MSNBC is the archetypical anti-Fox. So the battle rages on.

I belong to none of those...but this was beside the point I made....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Ya know, if someone watches Fox because they want to be entertained, I can understand that. Or if they watch Fox because they want to hear opinions that resonate with theirs, I can understand that. But if anyone watches Fox thinking they're actually getting news, they need to go back to kindergarten and start all over again.

I agree....

 

[Alceste]

This is spot on. Every time someone says something against Fox...we have at least one person bring up MSNBC....as if we all on the left watch MSNBC.....:sad:

It was done in this thread. Someone said something about FOX, because that IS in the topic of the thread, then almost immediately someone chimed in trying to make a comparison when that comparison has nothing to do with the OP at all.

It's not just this subject either. Criticize Bush, someone brings up Obama. Criticize Rush Limbaugh, someone brings up Michael Moore. Criticize political inertia about facing global warming, somebody brings up Al Gore's energy bill. Mention Sarah Palin's complete stupidity, somebody brings up Joe Biden.

Always the same offenders, too.

It's the grown-up version of "I know you are, but what am I?" or "I'm rubber, you're glue" and just as tedious, if not more so. Those people usually end up in my ignore list.

 

[Revoltingest]

I belong to none of those...but this was beside the point I made....

No, I recall you accusing me of racism for opposing Obama. And my post exactly addresses this tit-for-tat relationship between Foxphobes, their boogeyman, & the Democratic opposition. MSNBC is symbolic for the left, just as Fox is for the right.

 

[Sunstone]

It's not just this subject either. Criticize Bush, someone brings up Obama. Criticize Rush Limbaugh, someone brings up Michael Moore. Criticize political inertia about facing global warming, somebody brings up Al Gore's energy bill. Mention Sarah Palin's complete stupidity, somebody brings up Joe Biden.

Always the same offenders, too.

It's the grown-up version of "I know you are, but what am I?" or "I'm rubber, you're glue" and just as tedious, if not more so. Those people usually end up in my ignore list.

They end up on my ignore list, too. Now and then, I take them off to see if they've quit playing six grade games, but then I almost always have to put them right back on because they never seem to grow up intellectually.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

No, I recall you accusing me of racism for opposing Obama.

I don't remember accusing you of that... (hmmm, scratching head....)

And my post exactly addresses this tit-for-tat relationship between Foxphobes, their boogeyman, & the Democratic opposition.

Yeah, but you made your reply to me but I'm not know for ragging on Fox. I don't think much of their content should be considered "news"....besides that They don't matter to me.

MSNBC is symbolic for the left, just as Fox is for the right.

But why must you bring them up whenever someone says something against Fox? You seem to do this without even knowing if the people you're conversing with even watches MSNBC. We have clear evidence that many on the right on this forum enjoy posting links from Fox. I haven't seen that with those on the left when it comes to MSNBC.....

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, but you made your reply to me but I'm not know for ragging on Fox. I don't think much of their content should be considered "news"....besides that They don't matter to me.

I was speaking generally, & your response made it about you...or about not being you.

But why must you bring them up whenever someone says something against Fox? You seem to do this without even knowing if the people you're conversing with even watches MSNBC.

As I said, MSNBC is Fox's doppelganger.

We have clear evidence that many on the right on this forum enjoy posting links from Fox. I haven't seen that with those on the left when it comes to MSNBC.....

MSNBC is sort of a poster child for loopy leftish sites like Alternet, Slate, etc.
Face it, bub...if demonizing Fox & conservatives in this forum is to be pronounced, there will be a reaction.
And while I'm not a conservative, I don't want to be left out of the fun, since Libertarians are also quite despised by lefties.

 

[Alceste]

They end up on my ignore list, too. Now and then, I take them off to see if they've quit playing six grade games, but then I almost always have to put them right back on because they never seem to grow up intellectually.

Yup. YOU know. :yes:

 

[metis]

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I just don't happen to agree with you.

Because you don't want to see anything even close to objectivity. Fox not only has this right-wing reputation, I've seen three different non-partisan studies over the years that indicated that those who get most of their news from them actually know less real news than those who generally don't watch any t.v. news. BTW, they were the only news station whereas this was true.

The most horrific thing about Fox is that they are constantly throwing in their two-cents on what should be regular news stories. To show you how far off this network really is, they had Romney beating Obama hands down in 2012 even though most polls had him likely losing, and when it turned out that Obama won, there was like a total meltdown at the network. The next morning I watched their morning "news" program, and it was like they had just lost their best friend.

How could a real news network be so far off on their projections? Because it was obvious that they believed in what they wanted to happen ("confirmation bias").

They simply are not a news network, and as long as some people get most of your "information" from them, they'll just continue to believe in fantasies much of the time. But, of course, they have a right to believe in fantasies, so I can't take that away from them.

 

[metis]

BTW, someone mentioned MSNBC. I periodically watch "Hardball" and sometimes Alex Wagner's program, but only very rarely the news. For that, I prefer BBC America, CNN, NBC, but then I tap into Reuters and A.P. on-line regularly.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Fox on Fox: former Fox reporters tell us about the fledgling news station. I wonder how many conservatives will watch this?

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Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism - YouTube

 

[Revoltingest]

BTW, someone mentioned MSNBC. I periodically watch "Hardball" and sometimes Alex Wagner's program, but only very rarely the news. For that, I prefer BBC America, CNN, NBC, but then I tap into Reuters and A.P. on-line regularly.

I often watch Morning Joe on MSNBC while I surf ebay, email & RF.
I find that I'd rather be annoyed by them than by whatever Fox shows then.

 

[metis]

I often watch Morning Joe on MSNBC while I surf ebay, email & RF.
I find that I'd rather be annoyed by them than by whatever Fox shows then.

Wow, we watch the same? I catch "Morning Joe" in the 8-9 e.s.t. time slot. I like the show even with some of the silliness they sometimes fall into. I also like to catch "This Week with G.S." on Sunday along with the "McLaughlin Group".

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I often watch Morning Joe on MSNBC while I surf ebay, email & RF.
I find that I'd rather be annoyed by them than by whatever Fox shows then.

I'm not a (Morning Joe show) person. I tried a couple times. I really did....but he seems to talk over everybody on that show. And the lady...Is she his wife?...She really doesn't add much to the show (IMO).

For the rest of the network...well, there's not much there. AL Sharpton and Chris Matthews, IMO, seemed to slobber a lot when talking. Chris Hayes is OK. I happen to catch one of his shows one evening while watching C-Span. Maddow opens her show and talks for 15-20 minutes before even bringing on a guest. Then there's Laurence O'Donnell. He's "ok"...but not too much different than Maddow. I've caught bits and pieces of each of these shows while channel surfing...and have made a rule to simply stay away from both MSNBC and Fox...

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not a (Morning Joe show) person. I tried a couple times. I really did....but he seems to talk over everybody on that show. And the lady...Is she his wife?...She really doesn't add much to the show (IMO).

She's someone else's wife.
Is that what defines female talking heads?

For the rest of the network...well, there's not much there. AL Sharpton and Chris Matthews, IMO, seemed to slobber a lot when talking. Chris Hayes is OK. I happen to catch one of his shows one evening while watching C-Span. Maddow opens her show and talks for 15-20 minutes before even bringing on a guest. Then there's Laurence O'Donnell. He's "ok"...but not too much different than Maddow. I've caught bits and pieces of each of these shows while channel surfing...and have made a rule to simply stay away from both MSNBC and Fox...

I stay away from them all.

 

[Sunstone]

Fox on Fox: former Fox reporters tell us about the fledgling news station. I wonder how many conservatives will watch this?

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Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism - YouTube

I'm about 30 minutes into it, and it's quite interesting, Jeremy. Thanks for posting it.

I was aware of the studies that show FOX News Channel viewers to be less well informed than viewers of other channels, such as MSNBC, and even of the studies that showed FOX News Channel viewers to be less well informed than people who habitually watch little or no news at all.

But what I wasn't aware of were the actual techniques that FOX uses to bring about such interesting results. I wonder if their techniques of manipulation might actually be teaching people how to be sloppy thinkers?

Most people learn logic and reasoning from those around them, and today, "those around them", very much includes the media. When the media they devoutly watch reasons like a drama-queen on steroids, they are almost bound to start reasoning like a drama-queen on steroids themselves.

It would be quite interesting to give a logic test to heavy viewers of the various networks, including FOX.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

I'm about 30 minutes into it, and it's quite interesting, Jeremy. Thanks for posting it.

Your most welcome.

I was aware of the studies that show FOX News Channel viewers to be less well informed than viewers of other channels, such as MSNBC, and even of the studies that showed FOX News Channel viewers to be less well informed than people who habitually watch little or no news at all.

Knowing nothing is better than knowing a lie, I guess.

But what I wasn't aware of were the actual techniques that FOX uses to bring about such interesting results. I wonder if their techniques of manipulation might actually be teaching people how to be sloppy thinkers?

True. i think Fox News and other news stations have an uncanny ability to trigger the avalanche of emotional sentiment. Fox just does it in a way that uses fear in manipulating viewers fight or flight machanisisms.

Most people learn logic and reasoning from those around them, and today, "those around them", very much includes the media. When the media they devoutly watch reasons like a drama-queen on steroids, they are almost bound to start reasoning like a drama-queen on steroids themselves.

and Fox know that. Reasoning takes years of dedicated fact finding. In the express lane of news media, people seldom take the time to fact-check their sources.

It would be quite interesting to give a logic test to heavy viewers of the various networks, including FOX.

It would.

 

[Sunstone]

No, Obama may have been grinning on the outside but he was fuming on the inside.

Gawd, another wannabe psychic mind reader.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

She's someone else's wife.

OK...

Is that what defines female talking heads?

Not sure I understand you're question. I happen to catch the show a couple times and just noticed that she seems more of an observer than a contributor. It's just my take on it but I admit I haven't watched much of the show because of Joe being a real turn off.

I stay away from them all.

That's a good rule. Now if we could only get you to stay away from Breitbart....