Obamacare succeeding

[Shadow Wolf]

First, in the English language, there's only "libertarian".
We favor both social & economic liberty.
Anyone who would deny either ain't one of us.
RF's goofy ancient Eurotrashistanian definitions be damned!

Now....I'm largely opposed to social spending.
As I've proposed before, I prefer to give every citizen $10K/year to do with as they please.
Then the welfare state can be far far smaller.

Then what about the libertarians who are further right than you are? Those who would make your idea of a minarchist look big, what about them? Those who would say Canada's social spending is a travesty and great infringement on liberty, because it requires taxes to support people who didn't earn it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then what about the libertarians who are further right than you are? Those who would make your idea of a minarchist look big, what about them? Those who would say Canada's social spending is a travesty and great infringement on liberty, because it requires taxes to support people who didn't earn it?

I'm not responsible for the beliefs of other libertarians.
But bear in mind that we're on the extreme margins of political influence, & the most we can ever expect is to sway government somewhat in our direction. The most extreme libertarian positions are politically impossible.

My approach, ie, government giving people money, is more libertarian than giving them goods & services which government chooses for them. I don't like taxes, but if I'm gonna pay them, I'd rather have them used in the most libertarian way, eg, letting people choose where they live, choose what they eat, & not wasting trillions of dollars to attack 3rd world countries.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My approach, ie, government giving people money, is more libertarian than giving them goods & services which government chooses for them. I don't like taxes, but if I'm gonna pay them, I'd rather have them used in the most libertarian way, eg, letting people choose where they live, choose what they eat, & not wasting trillions of dollars to attack 3rd world countries.

I suppose that would be a lot better than what we have now, except I'd probably adjust the 10k to match local economies. That would make life a helluva lot easier for the working poor, but from what I hear it may last about 10 minutes in Manhattan (not really, but I've heard it's very expensive).

 

[Revoltingest]

I suppose that would be a lot better than what we have now, except I'd probably adjust the 10k to match local economies. That would make life a helluva lot easier for the working poor, but from what I hear it may last about 10 minutes in Manhattan (not really, but I've heard it's very expensive).

Manhattan is not a good place for the poor to live.
Rather than adjust it, I'd let them amount incentivize living in more cost effective locales.