Obama's worst moment

[Luminous]

I don't think it was unexpected at all. I think the expectation would be for him to explain why he's increasing the number of troops in a questionable war mere days before receiving the peace prize. It would have been bigger news had he not addressed it.

As for the speech itself, I saw a political cartoon that emphasized the reality that there's a difference between the "idea" of Obama and what Obama actually says and does.

yes, obama is a secrete conservative.

 

[YmirGF]

yes, obama is a secrete conservative.

Yes, I hear he listens to Rush Limbaugh regularly, though Michelle prefers Glenny Beck.

 

[Luminous]

It's good to see our little Barry grow up before our very eyes.

seriously? i didn't see any of his positions change. all he did was protest the war in Iraq, and promise to make nice with all our competitors and friends. and then he descaled the war in Iraq. he was nomitated just for that.
however, i just thought that defending war during an acceptance speach for a PEACE prize was quite hypocritical. he might as well have stuck his middle finger up to the commity and slapped the price unto the floor. His acceptance speach in essence chastised the commity for wanting an end to all wars. you could see they were ****** off while he was talking. it was very disrespectful, but he was trying to defend his position and ponder to the tea bagging base. he is too conservative, and the moderate conservatives are getting too radicalized to see that, all they do is villify his image when he is soo nice to them.
Yes, it was a low point. he basically argued that the peace prize was meaningless, and could infact be detrimental by saying war was justifiable. and yet he accepted the prize. too hypocritical, reminds me of the political right. he could have just accepted the prize for what he got it for(Iraq and international relations) and not have to devalue the prize by stating its cause was void, being as peace was sometimes bad.
i never understood the stance: peace can lead to war, so lets go to war to maintain peace later. which is basically what he said, he didn't even explain very well that war against terror was not started preemtively, but as a consequence to a declaration. that the only real war started by U.S. was the one against the fascist secular state of Iraq that said it was democratic. and he is trying to end that unjust action, he didn't have to imply that "starting a war is justifyable"; that is a virtual slap in the face of the Peace Prize commity.

 

[Luminous]

Yes, I hear he listens to Rush Limbaugh regularly, though Michelle prefers Glenny Beck.

:yes: how else would they know that faux news is biased programing made to get ratings by putting on a show for a large t.v. watching/drama loving/conspiracy fearing community; and is not REAL news?
during the campaign he showed that he listened to Rush and clearly michelle explained about faux news to him (she loves her hyperbolic drama shows).

 

[dogsgod]

I am sorry, but when a group like the Taliban pour acid on girls because they are not faithful to Islam, I tend to believe we have a moral obligation. Moral duty does not stop at a nation's boarders.

The CIA created the Taliban in the first place.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The CIA created the Taliban in the first place.

:cover:

 

[dogsgod]

:cover:

Your little use of icons is becoming tedious. The Taliban were created by the money and arms paid for by the US and matched by Saudi Arabia and distributed through the CIA in cooperation with Pakistan. The Taliban was non existent prior to CIA involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Your little use of icons is becoming tedious.

Background of the Taliban's rise to power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two contrasting narratives explain the beginnings of the Taliban.[1] One is that the rape and murder of boys and girls from a family traveling to Kandahar or a similar outrage by Mujahideen bandits sparked Mullah Omar and his students to vow to rid Afghanistan of these criminals.[2] The other is that the Pakistan-based truck shipping mafia known as the "Afghanistan Transit Trade" and their allies in the Pakistan government, trained, armed, and financed the Taliban to clear the southern road across Afghanistan to the Central Asian Republics of extortionate bandit gangs.[3]

 

[Neo-Logic]

War is the answer to what? Defend itself from what exactly? And why should politicians operate as a bunch of thugs?

War is an answer to an act of war and defense of sovereignty for starters. Politicians operate as what you call 'thugs' and what I call as civilian controlled leaders of military and power because I elected them to represent my interests and to safeguard my security.

 

[Neo-Logic]

You don't have moral obligations other than to get out of Afghanistan and crawl back under your rocks.

We have both the moral obligation and the legal justification to be in Afghanistan. Your concept of hiding under a rock is not with the times.

 

[dogsgod]

War is an answer to an act of war and defense of sovereignty for starters. Politicians operate as what you call 'thugs' and what I call as civilian controlled leaders of military and power because I elected them to represent my interests and to safeguard my security.

To safeguard your security? You fear what your government tells you to fear. If they tell you to fear communism you fear communism, when they tell you to fear Muslims, you fear Muslims. You're just a fear monger, you don't deserve security.

 

[Darkness]

The CIA created the Taliban in the first place.

Your point being?

To safeguard your security? You fear what your government tells you to fear. If they tell you to fear communism you fear communism, when they tell you to fear Muslims, you fear Muslims. You're just a fear monger, you don't deserve security.

I love how many facts you use in supporting your conclusion. You don't jump to presumptions at all.

I do not fear Muslims, you are in no position to say that I do. I do not even fear Muslim Extremists all that much. I am much more afraid to drive my car or paranoid of germs. However, I am concerned about the rights and dignities of women and girls in the God forsaken Islamic theocracies of the Middle-East.

 

[YmirGF]

Your point being?

Rhetorical drivel is its own point.

I love how many facts you use in supporting your conclusion. You don't jump to presumptions at all.

:clap

I do not fear Muslims, you are in no position to say that I do. I do not even fear Muslim Extremists all that much. I am much more afraid to drive my car or paranoid of germs. However, I am concerned about the rights and dignities of women and girls in the God forsaken Islamic theocracies of the Middle-East.

I agree. I don't fear much of anything, but that does not mean that many things do not give me pause for concern. Frankly, I am more concerned when our "western" leaders are telling us about how noble Islam is and how it is the religion of peace. To me, that is disturbing. I don't mind a fraction as much when Muslims say it, it just makes my skin crawl when non-Muslim politicians start spouting it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To safeguard your security? You fear what your government tells you to fear. If they tell you to fear communism you fear communism, when they tell you to fear Muslims, you fear Muslims. You're just a fear monger, you don't deserve security.

That's quite a statement. I do not fear what the government, or media, says to fear or hate. I have more of a reason to be afraid of my 25 mile drive to work here lately with ice and snow covered roads than I do a Muslim Extremest, Pakistan, Palestine, North Korea, Socialism, Communism, or many other things people are supposed to be afraid of.

 

[dogsgod]

Your point being?



I love how many facts you use in supporting your conclusion. You don't jump to presumptions at all.

I do not fear Muslims, you are in no position to say that I do. I do not even fear Muslim Extremists all that much. I am much more afraid to drive my car or paranoid of germs. However, I am concerned about the rights and dignities of women and girls in the God forsaken Islamic theocracies of the Middle-East.

The god forsaken Islamic theocracies of the middle east have the full support of western imperial states, especially the US. Did you read the Iraq Constitution that the Americans drafted? It declared Islam as the official state religion. Good luck with that naive notion about secular humanist governments of yours being extended to military occupied lands. Are you gullible enough to believe western armed forces are in the middle east to fight terror, that any of these military occupations are about the rights and dignities of woman? Are you serious?

 

[imaginaryme]

Obama is a tool. A sharp-looking, silver-tongued tool; but still a tool. Just 'cause he's all S&K rather than Husky, don't mean nuffink... and more dangerous than Bush, perhaps; but ol' George W, you could practically see the tail and horns on that dude, this country still let him get away with all his crap.

 

[Reverend Rick]

yes, obama is a secrete conservative.

I knew there was something about him that I liked.

 

[Darkness]

The god forsaken Islamic theocracies of the middle east have the full support of western imperial states, especially the US. Did you read the Iraq Constitution that the Americans drafted? It declared Islam as the official state religion. Good luck with that naive notion about secular humanist governments of yours being extended to military occupied lands. Are you gullible enough to believe western armed forces are in the middle east to fight terror, that any of these military occupations are about the rights and dignities of woman? Are you serious?

I do not believe Western governments are involved for the rights and dignities of women; however, some rights are beginning to develop. Correct me if I am wrong, but can't girls go to school in Afghanistan, now? The Iraqi government may officially be an Islamic Republic, but I am not aware of them enforcing religious law upon Iraqi citizens. Do you know of any specific incidents where this is the case?

 

[Luminous]

I do not believe Western governments are involved for the rights and dignities of women; however, some rights are beginning to develop. Correct me if I am wrong, but can't girls go to school in Afghanistan, now? The Iraqi government may officially be an Islamic Republic, but I am not aware of them enforcing religious law upon Iraqi citizens. Do you know of any specific incidents where this is the case?

what is the purpose of being a theistic republic, but to enfore religious law. being an 'official Islam Republic' means christians and atheists are not official citizens nor can they be representatives, of any part of the population.

 

[Darkness]

what is the purpose of being a theistic republic, but to enfore religious law. being an 'official Islam Republic' means christians and atheists are not official citizens nor can they be representatives, of any part of the population.

I am not an expert on the Iraqi Government, but this is what is spelled out in the Iraqi Constitution:

Section I: Fundamental Principles

Article II:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.
B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.
C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established.
Second: This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.