Obvious Study: Anti-Abortionists found Sexist

[Saint Frankenstein]

But you still nevertheless find sexism throughout Christianity and the church.

Depend on what you're talking about, specifically.

You can be against it. That's a personal choice. However, it becomes a problem when you take your beliefs and try to legislate them into laws that restrict the ability of women to choose. Those are blatant attempts to control women, which is sexist.

Sorry, I don't buy into that argument. Preventing abortions isn't "trying to control women" or "sexism". The pro-life view the unborn as human beings and so to prevent abortion is to prevent the killing of a child. Do you realize that black children, disabled children and, in some societies, female children are disproportionately aborted? So it's somewhat ironic that those who support legal abortion are crying out "sexism!" when abortion is killing millions of female human beings off and causing major problems in some societies. This is an example of when a word gets thrown around too much as a smear tactic that it becomes meaningless. Do you think that pursuing deadbeat dads for child support is "trying to control men"? After all, they don't want to take care of the kid, either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So it's somewhat ironic that those who support legal abortion are crying out "sexism!" when abortion is killing millions of female human beings off and causing major problems in some societies.

How is it not sexism to abort female fetuses in such a way? And, yes, it is going to ultimately cause problems for those societies.

Preventing abortions isn't "trying to control women" or "sexism".

How is it not controlling women? It is restricting their ability to choice, restricting bodily autonomy, limiting self-determination, and telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Do you think that pursuing deadbeat dads for child support is "trying to control men"?

I strongly disagree with certain punishments like jail time (after all, what does that really solve or fix?), but, no, it isn't trying to control them. You can't force a dead beat dad to spend time with his children, keep promises, or become a non-deadbeat. You can expect them to take responsibility for the child they helped to make, but it isn't trying to control them through restrictions like restricting reproductive choices are. Some pro-lifers are even strongly against condoms, and erroneously believe that all forms of contraception are abortion devices.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How is it not sexism to abort female fetuses in such a way? And, yes, it is going to ultimately cause problems for those societies.

You might want to reread my sentence, or maybe I didn't make it clear enough. I find it ironic that those who support legal abortion are calling pro-life people "sexist" when abortion is killing off females in some society.

How is it not controlling women? It is restricting their ability to choice, restricting bodily autonomy, limiting self-determination, and telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

An unborn child isn't a body part . I know a bit about biology so that argument doesn't work with me, either. Neither am I interested in promoting selfishness ("how dare you tell me I shouldn't kill my kid?! I don't want it!").

I strongly disagree with certain punishments like jail time (after all, what does that really solve or fix?), but, no, it isn't trying to control them. You can't force a dead beat dad to spend time with his children, keep promises, or become a non-deadbeat. You can expect them to take responsibility for the child they helped to make, but it isn't trying to control them through restrictions like restricting reproductive choices are. Some pro-lifers are even strongly against condoms, and erroneously believe that all forms of contraception are abortion devices.

The bolded part is quite interesting. Making a deadbeat dad take responsibility for their offspring is just fine and dandy but trying to prevent abortions is heinous "sexism" against women. Hmm. Also, there's the further complicated matters of what to do when the father wants the child but the mother doesn't. I've seen lots of feminists declare that a male should have zero say in it.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

What do you mean by patriarchy and what do you propose as an alternative?

By 'patriarchy' I mean things like the entrenched gender roles in our society and the social attitudes they cause & effect e.g. man's ultimate role is as the breadwinners, warriors & leaders of society; dominant and aggressive. Woman's greatest role are as housekeepers, child-bearers; submissive and meek. It's not even conscious a lot of the time. You can find a lot of patriarchal guff in variety of religions stretching back centuries, millennia even, because they evolved in patriarchal cultures. E.g. the question of men having bodily autonomy has never arisen because the idea of us not having control over our own bodies is laughable, right? But women having control over their bodies? There's still a social battle raging over this issue to this day. That's just a start.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

For me it has nothing to do with sexism, but murder of an innocent baby.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For me it has nothing to do with sexism, but murder of an innocent baby.

People often go on about the preciousness of life, and how abortion may prevent the one who discovers a cure from cancer being born.
But, no one seems willing to acknowledge that, by that merit, it can also prevent the next Hitler, and what if that child grows up resenting the fact they were born?

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

People often go on about the preciousness of life, and how abortion may prevent the one who discovers a cure from cancer being born.
But, no one seems willing to acknowledge that, by that merit, it can also prevent the next Hitler, and what if that child grows up resenting the fact they were born?

Life is precious... Since the VERY moment of conception life is precious, so many illnesses, and diseases are already stacked against us, to be alive IS a miracle.

Abortion can prevent the next Hitler? Well okay let's say that theory is indeed correct... How would I know if you could possibly be the next Hitler? Should you have been aborted too? After all you could be the next Hitler.

Next question what if a child grows up to resent the fact that they were ever born, hmm that's a toughy! Just kidding. Let's see welp at that point the child would be an adult that is capable of making their own decision, a baby inside of dear mommies womb would not be capable of making such a conscious decision now would they?

 

[Paranoid Android]

Do you wonder why universities are being funded for social science research into things any logical person already knows?

Unbelievably Obvious Study Finds Anti-Abortionists Also Sexist | Big Think

The point that MOST people that SUPPORT abortions are actually anti-disability. Why ? Because people love to killed and/or rip the heads off their Down Syndrome babies. Because we KNOW that there lives would be SOO painful. I think the TRUE reason people mothers want to kill them is because they understand that squares have a predatory nature. This predatory nature leads them to take advantage of "retarded" ( squares term, not ours) people. Not only to take advantage of them, but to mock them.
IMO, the only people that is necessary to abort are squares. Without squares in the world, there would be less killing, less war, less greed, less egotism and less mockery. So do the world a service; keep your Down Syndrome children but abort your predatory squares.

 

[dust1n]

Sorry, I don't buy into that argument. Preventing abortions isn't "trying to control women" or "sexism". The pro-life view the unborn as human beings and so to prevent abortion is to prevent the killing of a child.

I'm sorry, so if a female is going to have an abortion of her own volition, and someone wants to stop it, how do they do so without exercising control?

Do you realize that black children, disabled children and, in some societies, female children are disproportionately aborted? So it's somewhat ironic that those who support legal abortion are crying out "sexism!" when abortion is killing millions of female human beings off and causing major problems in some societies. This is an example of when a word gets thrown around too much as a smear tactic that it becomes meaningless. Do you think that pursuing deadbeat dads for child support is "trying to control men"? After all, they don't want to take care of the kid, either.

Of course it's trying to control men. What do you think court systems exercise?

"con·trol/kənˈtrōl/
noun

1. the power to influence or direct people's behavior or the course of events."

 

[Paranoid Android]

Again, why do you FEMALES choose to abort your CHILDREN with Down Syndrome ? I would like to KNOW...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The point that MOST people that SUPPORT abortions are actually anti-disability.

I doubt, very strongly, the authenticity of this claim.

 

[dust1n]

Again, why do you FEMALES choose to abort your CHILDREN with Down Syndrome ? I would like to KNOW...

Because not many people want to spend their lives watching their children have incredibly difficult lives, filled with medical problems, likelihood of never reproducing and dying early, and extraordinary costs. Most people with Down Syndrome unfortunately never can get any of the necessary medical and social help they need, and generally, as far as I can tell, parents fear this more than anything else in the world.