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Obviously, this is dificult..........

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I have been a member here since sept 2004. In all this time, I have never seen a thread on 'cross dressers' (not someone who gets angry because the shirt doesn't fit):D .

This is of interest to me, because I was a cross dresser myself.

I distinctly remember an incident when I was a child, (from the house we were in, I would guess that I was seven). All that I can remember was being inside the bathroom (with the door locked), and my mother knocking on the door, insisting that I open it. The problem was that I was 'trying on' her girdle.:eek:

I can remember little of what came after, except for (I presume my mother) telling me that she would have to take me to the doctor if I ever did it again.

I guess you can imagine how I felt.

That was it; nothing happened again, until, when I was 21.

I had been in a relationship with a girl with whom I was totally besotted. She was very much what I would call a "Free spirit". In fact, she was so 'free' that I was to find out that two-timing me was 'normal' to her, maybe even 'three timing'..............

But I was very much in love with her, and believed that we were 'made for each other'. They do say 'Love is blind'. We were both at the Bournemouth College at the time. After we finished college, I joined the Bank, and she started doing odd bits of part-time work; six moths later, I found that the family was to move to Cheltenham (a beautiful part of the Country, 100 or so miles from home -I still lived with my parents).

I asked the Bank for a transfer to that area, and was lucky in obtaining one. I went there, and this girl's Mum suggested that I be "a paying guest"; I paid for lodging and food. This carried on for two years; I worked in the Bank, and the girl worked as a secretary in a local factory (she was a PA to the managing director).

Out of the blue, at the end of two years, I was told that the family was moving back to Bournemouth. The Father had got a job with a Navy establishment, working as a scientist researching new (then) technology of life jackets, with lights that came on when put in water. He was an expert in Rubber, having been manager of a rubber plantation in Malaysia.

So I got myself lodgings, moved out of the family home, and the whole family came back here. (There was no way I could expect the bank to be presented with another request to move back to Bournemouth).

We (the girl and I) kept in touch; I wrote everyday, and we talked on the phone most days. I suddenly began to be aware that she was seeing 'mutual men friends' from the college days. She even told me quite candidly that she had a sexual 'fling' with one or two of them.

Imagine my devastation. One day, in the depths of despair, I telephoned her in the evening, and told her that I had decided to finish with her. She sounded shocked (even devastated), and asked me why. How could I tell her that with her being so far away, and openly telling me she was having sexual encounters with other men, that I just couldn't take it any more ?. The situation was eating away at my very core, but I relented, and agreed that we should not part.

At this time, I used to motor the 100 miles (of very small roads between Bournemouth and Cheltenham every friday after work, to return Sunday night). One week end I would stay with my parents, the next I would stay at the Girlfriend's mother's house.

I became even more convinced that she was 'sleeping around'. I was broken hearted, but still totally besotted. it must have been on onesuch trip (when I spent the week end at her house) that, for some totally unknown 'prompt', I stole some of her clothing; namely underwear. Everytime I went to spend the week end there, I took another piece or two of clothing.

This will sound absurd, but on the drive back, I used to stop near some secluded woods; I would undress, and put on her underclother clothes under my own. I even stopped on the way (as I used to, for the odd pint of beer); it was almost ritualistic (my going into the pub with her underclothes on). The only sensation I can recall was one of 'feeling great'. feeling a sense of 'completeness'.

This went on for three or so years (and no one ever found out). Then one day, she decided to come to see me in Cheltenham.

Of course, she started looking through my drawers (I can't remember why)...Knowing her, she was just being nosy.....................

Of course, she found my 'cache'. Of course, it was embarassing; I felt humiliated. That was it.....for a while.

The next 'episode' was after I had been married four years or so. I was heavily depressed, drinking enough to sink a battleship, but managing to keep my job, be a husband (to a wife who was still suffering post nartal depression after the birth of our eldest), and was the one who looked after him solely when I was home from work. My wife used tro go to bed as soon as I came in. She found it hard enough to get up when I wasn't at home. I began to wear some of my wife's clothes. Sometimes (if she was away for a week end with her parents), it was a whole week end (whenever our son was safely tucked in bed).

I have never told a soul about this (none of it), so I guess you can imagine what it is like telling you all.

Through research, and what I have been diagnosed with, I began to understand.

I desperately needed a mother figure. My mother had never bonded with me, and whenever I couldn't cope, I used to resort to that behaviour........it was a way of substituting the woman I missed, that I had needed. Since then, I have never needed to resort to that behaviour (Thank goodness). I think the key was in knowing 'why'.

Much as I am dreading reading the replies, I wonder, has any other man on the forum experienced the same thing (or similar?)
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MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Michel, when was the last time you were reminded of how great you are? :foryou: :hug:




I think men who wear women's clothes for comfort in the privacy of their own homes is a much more common occurance than what would be admitted in candid conversation.




I'm sorry for your realization, sorrow, and grief over the lack of a mother figure as well as your lady problems in your life. You obviously turned out OK in spite of it.




I really wish that the stigma wasn't so harsh over cross-dressing. Nobody says much when women try on a pair of their husband's boxers and undershirts in order to lounge around the house (I do it occasionally to "re-connect" with the hubby while he's gone........I'll even put on some of his cologne, too). Apparently, THAT'S okey-dokey, but if a man were to do the same, he's "sick"?




Just my opinion. :)




Peace,
Mystic
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Michel,

That takes a lot of guts to go out and say something like that. You are an amazing fellow to have gone through all that you have.
 

Snowbear

Nita Okhata
While I realize it takes guts to come out and admit this, I guess what I don't understand is why it has to take guts?

What's the big deal? Why the 'stigma'? Who gives a hoot what 'gender' of clothing a person wears... .especially in private?
 

Fluffy

A fool
I guess I have had some cross dressing experiences but I haven't really considered them as such till you mentioned it. Out of both curiosity and through dares I have dressed in female clothing quite a lot (ie bra, panties, dress or skirt etc...) Perhaps this does say something about my psychological make up but I feel that if I'm comfortable with it then other people can go screw themselves :).

That is really impressive that you managed to say all that, Michel. I really hope that getting those experiences off your chest helped you deal with them. I truly hope that nobody decides to judge you for something that really makes little difference to who you are. You are certainly the same person in my mind :).
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
There is nothing wrong with you. This changes nothing--I still think you are a wonderful person. I'm sorry to hear you didn't bond with your mother, and I hope you find all the love and comfort that you need to work through it.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
evearael said:
There is nothing wrong with you. This changes nothing--I still think you are a wonderful person. I'm sorry to hear you didn't bond with your mother, and I hope you find all the love and comfort that you need to work through it.

I second this. :hug:
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Thank you all; as I said in the OP, this is the first time I have ever mentioned this. I guess the old saying of 'a problem shared is a problem halved'.

Were we all in a room together would I have talked about this ? No way!

It is only because of the way we communicate (ie by Posting on a forum) that I have been able to share this. As I have said, once I understood what was happening, the 'need' ceased, so there is effectively no longer a problem; but that makes me no less embarassed.

I can only repeat my thanks for the kind responses. I am not quite sure what I expected; I don't think I wanted to think about it. This is a (to me) humiliating secret I have had to carry on my own for 50 years.
 

Fluffy

A fool
I can only repeat my thanks for the kind responses. I am not quite sure what I expected; I don't think I wanted to think about it. This is a (to me) humiliating secret I have had to carry on my own for 50 years.

I can't even begin to imagine what that must have been like for you :(. I'm so glad that is no longer the case. Thank goodness for the internet right?
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Fluffy said:
I can't even begin to imagine what that must have been like for you :(. I'm so glad that is no longer the case. Thank goodness for the internet right?

Agreed. Thank goodness for the internet. It can bring out horrible nasty things, but it can also be used for good.
 

Comet

Harvey Wallbanger
Many times people substitue something for something they have lost.
Many times people revert to seeing love as blind, rather than our reactions to it.
Many times people feel uncomfortable due to something they don't understand about themselves.

Sometimes that which is greater than us makes us take a dramatic step to remind us of such things. I don't find it weird at all, and I'm sure there are those that had too close a bonding with thier mothers that have done the same. Things tend to work at least 2 ways, and in ways we don't see for a long time.

I can relate to just about everything you said. My last two relationships were far from good in the end for me. A 5 year marriage that ended when guys from the bars started calling my house....... and a short lived one in which I didn't care about the "running around". Hard to explain why on the 2nd one, I guess I just needed to remind myself of a few things as well. ;) Love itself isn't blind, our actions are blinded by it.

Though this won't make you feel any better, I'll share anyway: After my last relationship, I moved into an apartment. She bagged up the last bit of my clothes, etc.... I took a long time to unpack. About 4 months after it was over, I opened a bag of clothes and found one of her socks. At first I kept it because it was a reminder of her, then I kept it out of spite........... now (ha ha ha ha) I keep it because it isn't worth it and I don't have the heart to tell HER about it, plus I still don't have the heart to just throw it away!!!!!! :) Funny how life works sometimes! Don't ever forget the true lessons it is trying to teach you, and never forget it is we that are blind.....

You are more than normal and a great person. Don't denounce what you need/want, what you can offer others with your understanding of things, nor your love of others -for the lack of understanding that others will have of you for situtations like this, for it is thier insecurities with themselves and you having the courage to tell others of this. Go with the peace that someday they will have the same fight with themselves and that you have new understanding of yourself.

(sorry, long and rambling..... I tend to do that:foot: )
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I think in most ways Michel you have done the hard work and figured out on your own why you found it so intriguing and satisfying to wear women's clothes back in those days...and I along with others see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I can appreciate that it was hard to admit in an open forum and I applaud you for being so transparent but like YMIRGF says above...I found the story quite delightful myself. It was somehow comforting to me to read your story of emotional fragility at those points in your life...and to see you work through them.

I just have to say that I really appreciate you sharing something so formerly private. It's very generous of you. :hug:
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
michel said:
Thank you all; as I said in the OP, this is the first time I have ever mentioned this. I guess the old saying of 'a problem shared is a problem halved'.

Were we all in a room together would I have talked about this ? No way!

It is only because of the way we communicate (ie by Posting on a forum) that I have been able to share this. As I have said, once I understood what was happening, the 'need' ceased, so there is effectively no longer a problem; but that makes me no less embarassed.

I can only repeat my thanks for the kind responses. I am not quite sure what I expected; I don't think I wanted to think about it. This is a (to me) humiliating secret I have had to carry on my own for 50 years.
I feel so honored that you have trusted me (us) with such an intimate secret. As you can see, many of us, not only still love you, but love you a little more. I'm so sorry you have been carrying this all by yourself, feeling like you had some dirty little secret. But as you can see, there are many people who do not see anything 'wrong' with your behavior.

It was very brave of you to face your fear of sharing that with others. And you are extremely strong for going through all that by yourself. I believe that by sharing your experience, you may very well be helping some young person who is just beginning this same path that you led. Maybe, you have saved them a lifetime of agony by paving the way and showing them that it is safe to share your secrets. And that they are not the only ones experiencing these things.

I also liked wearing my husbands boxers, and my first husband like to wear my underwear sometimes, he said they were much more stimulating than his cotton briefs. I never gave it a second thought, I didn't think he was sick, he just liked the way the material felt on that part of his body. As for you, it was a psychological thing, for others it might be something else. But what this all boils down to, is that it is no big deal to those who really care about you.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
I can't say that I've ever had the desire to dress in women's clothing. I do wish that togas were still in style though. They look comfortable. :D
 

Freedomelf

Active Member
I have lately come to realize that people have more fear of sharing things than they need to have. Most of the time, the thing we truly fear would not cause a ripple in any of our friendships......on the contrary, it would sometimes bring great floods of relief to our closest friends, who are hiding their own secrets. Which no doubt, they believe are much "worse" than yours. (even though there is nothing wrong with yours, k?)

You are OK in my book, M. :)
 

Karl R

Active Member
michel said:
I wonder, has any other man on the forum experienced the same thing (or similar?)
Technically, I've been a cross-dresser ... or perhaps more accurately, a drag queen.

My motives are completely different. It's not something I do in private. I want an audience. I want to mess with their heads. I want to be the center of attention.

Like you, I've experienced the misunderstanding that pervades society.

Her: "Are you sure you're not gay?"
Me: "You don't have to be gay to do drag, but you do have to be sure."

(I actually had this conversation a couple weeks ago, when I mentioned dressing in drag to a woman I'm seeing.)


I don't want to be a woman. I don't want to have sex with men. I don't want to wear women's panties (they lack jock support). Most of the time I don't want to spend 2 hours getting ready to go out for the evening.

But every once in a while, it's fun to be the person that everyone is talking about.
 

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
Glad to hear you've worked things out. Nothing wrong with cross-dressing, really; if that's what you were doing to deal with stress, it's a lot better better than some other things people do.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
I think I wore my mum's shoes a couple of times when I was 3 or 4. It hurt.

Does that count?

But seriously Michel ;) you know better than most there is nothing unusual out there. Just the stuff we can't explain. You've explained it already, in a way that not only makes sense but goes beyond that and finds understanding. I wouldn't worry too much about it, society only looks down on such things because they don't want to understand. That's their problem.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fluffy said:
I can't even begin to imagine what that must have been like for you :(. I'm so glad that is no longer the case. Thank goodness for the internet right?

Right! I have seen so many 'shrinks' and yet, I never felt able to say anything about this. I am sure that if we were all in a room, I would never have managed to say a word. Yes, thank goodness for the internet; I wasn't scared of the expression on people's faces.

Freedomelf said:
I have lately come to realize that people have more fear of sharing things than they need to have. Most of the time, the thing we truly fear would not cause a ripple in any of our friendships......on the contrary, it would sometimes bring great floods of relief to our closest friends, who are hiding their own secrets. Which no doubt, they believe are much "worse" than yours. (even though there is nothing wrong with yours, k?)

You are OK in my book, M. :)

I think that's very true ( we build a monster in our own minds, and can let that monster ruin our lives. Sharing is very necessary.

I can't tell you guys what this has meant to me; I couldn't have imagined how kind, how understanding you guys have all been.

I certainly don't think I deserve the compliments that have been bandied about (though I will always treasure them). Life is a strange animal.

Al;l I know is that your comments have filled me with a lot of relief ; like I said, a fifty year old monster has been put down...........wow.

I don't feel I deserve such friends as I have here,but *says he hastilly* I am so glad to know you all. Again, thank you.
 
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