Ocean warming and mass extinction event

[MD]

The Last Time Oceans Got This Acidic This Fast, 96% of Marine Life Went Extinct - Motherboard

I often wonder who is more delusional, religious extremists or climate change deniers

 

[Quintessence]

I would not use the word "delusional" to describe those who are uneducated or ignorant. Perhaps because I've had too much training in mental health issues to want to use a term like "delusional" as a pejorative.

 

[Nous]

The Last Time Oceans Got This Acidic This Fast, 96% of Marine Life Went Extinct - Motherboard

I often wonder who is more delusional, religious extremists or climate change deniers

I am unaware of anyone who denies that climate changes. Indeed, the fact of the historical record of ever-changing climate is one of the premises of those who argue against anthropogenic global warming.

I often point this out because I think a lot could be clarified on the issue of AGW if the people arguing one point or another wouldn't talk passed each other.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, everyone agrees climate changes. It's the speed of change that's problematic.
Humans causing climate to change 170 times faster than natural forces

 

[Nous]

Yes, everyone agrees climate changes. It's the speed of change that's problematic.

I'd say it isn't just speed, either. E.g., there is the problem of reversing the warming trend once we emit the GHGs.

 

[Iti oj]

How does one refreeze the polar ice caps? @Nous

 

[Iti oj]

The Last Time Oceans Got This Acidic This Fast, 96% of Marine Life Went Extinct - Motherboard

I often wonder who is more delusional, religious extremists or climate change deniers

You could tie this into things like The fishing industry and win allies

 

[Nous]

How does one refreeze the polar ice caps? @Nous

I definitely don't know of any way to refreeze the polar ice caps.

 

[MD]

I would not use the word "delusional" to describe those who are uneducated or ignorant. Perhaps because I've had too much training in mental health issues to want to use a term like "delusional" as a pejorative.

Perhaps thats the problem, people like you who get trapped in their own mental prisons of political correctness.

Instead of fighting against a mass extinction, famines and civil wars all due to climate change , you pick on such a miniscule point that it's hard to even take you seriously.

 

[Quintessence]

Perhaps thats the problem, people like you who get trapped in their own mental prisons of political correctness.

Instead of fighting against a mass extinction, famines and civil wars all due to climate change , you pick on such a miniscule point that it's hard to even take you seriously.

I'm sorry, but what the $#@% are you going on about? You really don't pay attention to my posts, do you?

You don't get other people on board with the issues associated with climate change by calling them names like "delusional." All that does is put up another obstacle by ticking people off. If your idea of fighting climate change issues is to sling insults at people until they cave, I'd suggest a new approach.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The Last Time Oceans Got This Acidic This Fast, 96% of Marine Life Went Extinct - Motherboard

I often wonder who is more delusional, religious extremists or climate change deniers

The oceans are alkaline..

Was there something else they had you scared of?

 

[MD]

I'm sorry, but what the $#@% are you going on about? You really don't pay attention to my posts, do you?

You don't get other people on board with the issues associated with climate change by calling them names like "delusional." All that does is put up another obstacle by ticking people off. If your idea of fighting climate change issues is to sling insults at people until they cave, I'd suggest a new approach.

The whole PC/SJW approach to climate change has failed. Making sure feelings aren't hurt and being 'civil' with people who are funded by a multi trillion empire is one of the dumbest ways to fight them.

We are witnessing one of the largest extinction events in the history of the earth and a future filled with famines, wars, death and disease. The 4 horsemen are mounting their steeds, and you're telling me to watch my language? Is this a joke?

Secondly calling someone delusional and then saying it is pejorative towards those with mental health issues is equivalent to calling someone irritable or somnolent, since those are features of different psychiatric disorders as well.

 

[Quintessence]

The whole PC/SJW approach to climate change has failed. Making sure feelings aren't hurt and being 'civil' with people who are funded by a multi trillion empire is one of the dumbest ways to fight them.

Why? Is yelling at them going to work any better? Doubtful. What might work is unseating the power base of environmental abusers whilst shifting cultural norms such that the public will actually support and prioritize such moves. As things are right now, my country is not prioritizing environmental issues and elected a president that is so environmentally regressive that it's downright infuriating.

We are witnessing one of the largest extinction events in the history of the earth and a future filled with famines, wars, death and disease. The 4 horsemen are mounting their steeds, and you're telling me to watch my language? Is this a joke?

The language doesn't do anything, and in many cases makes the situation worse. It seems better to do things. Be the change you want to see. Do something like refusing to be a breeder to serve as a role model for human population reduction. Do something like a small habitat restoration in your front yard and fight the city when it claims you can't have a lawn like that. Follow the three R's and eschew the farce that is American consumerism from your life. Things like that.

 

[MD]

Why? Is yelling at them going to work any better? Doubtful. What might work is unseating the power base of environmental abusers whilst shifting cultural norms such that the public will actually support and prioritize such moves. As things are right now, my country is not prioritizing environmental issues and elected a president that is so environmentally regressive that it's downright infuriating.

I think this whole argument that talking to them like a hippie will work is rather useless. For one these people are backed by huge powerful movements. Oil and gas, consumerist retail, fox news, heck the very nature of capitalism itself is anti environment. Being all kumbaya with these people is rather useless.

Your country is the prime example of what happens when people take a passive approach towards environmentalism. It's a prime example of scientists trying to not step on any toes, while the environment goes to ****. When the deniers came out, people ran inside.

It's also a prime example of the failure of the Left, who focused on rather insignificant issues than focusing on the biggest problem facing humanity at the moment.

The language doesn't do anything, and in many cases makes the situation worse. It seems better to do things. Be the change you want to see. Do something like refusing to be a breeder to serve as a role model for human population reduction. Do something like a small habitat restoration in your front yard and fight the city when it claims you can't have a lawn like that. Follow the three R's and eschew the farce that is American consumerism from your life. Things like that.

Honestly the whole breeder argument is bull****. A single NYC socialite has a far higher carbon footprint than a family of five living off the land in Wyoming. In fact by breeding out environmentally conscious people you are reducing the power of the voting block in the future. Small level gardening won't do jack squat if your culture is geared towards massive consumption.

I am doing a lot, and it won't be enough. To be honest I think the future is set now, carbon emissions will continue to grow and **** will hit the fan more and more. Kumbaya hippies have failed, the scientists have failed. The future belongs to preppers, environmental authoritarian governments and mad max style badlands.

 

[psychoslice]

What's the big deal, climate on this planet has always been changing for the better or the worse, why are we so damn obsessed with the weather. we expect it to stay the same throughout our life on the planet, well guess what ?.......it wont.

 

[Valjean]

The oceans are alkaline.

-- and the mean pH is decreasing, ie: it's becoming less alkaline and more acid.
Was there something else they had you scared of?[/QUOTE]

Honestly the whole breeder argument is bull****. A single NYC socialite has a far higher carbon footprint than a family of five living off the land in Wyoming. In fact by breeding out environmentally conscious people you are reducing the power of the voting block in the future. Small level gardening won't do jack squat if your culture is geared towards massive consumption.

Not Bull****.
Weather a city dweller or a rural farmer, each individual has an environmental footprint. Impacts vary, true; but the single greatest impact -- or non-impact, if you prefer -- in a person's life is continuing his impact for another 3-score-and-ten by creating another human being.

 

[Valjean]

What's the big deal, climate on this planet has always been changing for the better or the worse, why are we so damn obsessed with the weather. we expect it to stay the same throughout our life on the planet, well guess what ?.......it wont.

But the last time it changed this quickly we had a mass extinction. It's the speed of change that counts.
See link in post #4.

 

[psychoslice]

But the last time it changed this quickly we had a mass extinction. It's the speed of change that counts.
See link in post #4.

I really don't believe we can truly know that, we may use core samples but that is only from a mere spot on the planet, no I believe its all about money, so many of these so called scientists are paid to find exactly what they are paid to find, you can find anything if you want.

 

[Valjean]

I really don't believe we can truly know that, we may use core samples but that is only from a mere spot on the planet, no I believe its all about money, so many of these so called scientists are paid to find exactly what they are paid to find, you can find anything if you want.

We have a historical record of global temperatures, but even without records the retreating glaciers, melting mountain snowcaps, disappearing sea ice and exposed arctic tundra make a sudden warming trend very obvious.

There's no money in science, save the very few scientists working for industry. These are pretty much the only scientists questioning global warming. I think you're mistaking science for politics.

Most scientists are motivated by curiosity and a passion for truth. They follow the data, report conclusions and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[psychoslice]

We have a historical record of global temperatures, but even without records the retreating glaciers, melting mountain snowcaps, disappearing sea ice and exposed arctic tundra make a sudden warming trend very obvious.

There's no money in science, save the very few scientists working for industry. These are pretty much the only scientists questioning global warming. I think you're mistaking science for politics.

Most scientists are motivated by curiosity and a passion for truth. They follow the data, report conclusions and let the chips fall where they may.

The thing is, yes there seems to be a change happening, but as I said, there has always been a change, and we can only guess what the distant past was like and what changes it went through. The earth has been spewing all sorts of gases for millions of years and has done pretty well, I believe what we add to the environment is nowhere near what the earth itself has released, but saying that, I do believe of course that we should still look after our environment.