Ohio anti-abortion bill

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"Ohio Republicans are pushing an anti-abortion bill sponsored by Republican John Becker that would not only prohibit PRIVATE insurance companies from covering abortion, but would also outlaw most common forms of female birth control.

The bill would ban "nontherapeutic abortions" -- which it defines as "drugs or devices used to prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum.”

That's The Pill and IUDs and any similar birth control method.

But wait, there's more.

The bill also de facto outlaws ectopic or tubal pregnancies. That's right. Requiring instead that in such pregnancies where the fertilized egg attaches outside of the womb,

“part of that treatment would be removing that embryo from the Fallopian tube and reinserting it in the uterus so that is defined as not an abortion under this bill."

Least you think I'm engaged in hyperbole or hysteria, that quote is taken DIRECTLY from the bill's sponsor, Representative John Becker. The bill would require that doctors remove the "embryo," i.e. the fertilized egg, from the Fallopian tube and somehow attach it in the uterus. This is a medical procedure that DOES NOT EXIST and is in fact not even something that exists experimentally in human medical treatment.

Becker, when pressed regarding the outlawing of birth control, said, “When you get into the contraception and abortifacients, that’s clearly not my area of expertise, but I suppose, if it were true that what we typically known as the pill would be classified as an abortifacient, then I would imagine the drug manufacturers would reformulate it so it’s no longer an abortifacient and is strictly a contraceptive."

If you can't see what's wrong with that statement, then you are in the wrong place.

We have to stop electing stupid people and religious fanatics to run this country."

- Jim Wright

New Ohio Bill Would Ban Most Private Insurance Coverage Of Abortion

 

[Enoch07]

#Clumps of cells lives matter!

#hands up don't abort

#babies have feelings too

 

[Kenny]

"Ohio Republicans are pushing an anti-abortion bill sponsored by Republican John Becker that would not only prohibit PRIVATE insurance companies from covering abortion, but would also outlaw most common forms of female birth control.

The bill would ban "nontherapeutic abortions" -- which it defines as "drugs or devices used to prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum.”

That's The Pill and IUDs and any similar birth control method.

But wait, there's more.

The bill also de facto outlaws ectopic or tubal pregnancies. That's right. Requiring instead that in such pregnancies where the fertilized egg attaches outside of the womb,

“part of that treatment would be removing that embryo from the Fallopian tube and reinserting it in the uterus so that is defined as not an abortion under this bill."

Least you think I'm engaged in hyperbole or hysteria, that quote is taken DIRECTLY from the bill's sponsor, Representative John Becker. The bill would require that doctors remove the "embryo," i.e. the fertilized egg, from the Fallopian tube and somehow attach it in the uterus. This is a medical procedure that DOES NOT EXIST and is in fact not even something that exists experimentally in human medical treatment.

Becker, when pressed regarding the outlawing of birth control, said, “When you get into the contraception and abortifacients, that’s clearly not my area of expertise, but I suppose, if it were true that what we typically known as the pill would be classified as an abortifacient, then I would imagine the drug manufacturers would reformulate it so it’s no longer an abortifacient and is strictly a contraceptive."

If you can't see what's wrong with that statement, then you are in the wrong place.

We have to stop electing stupid people and religious fanatics to run this country."

- Jim Wright

New Ohio Bill Would Ban Most Private Insurance Coverage Of Abortion

As well as the other side:

Below are FIVE places where women can get abortions through the NINTH MONTH of pregnancy, RIGHT NOW!

1. Southwestern Women’s Options, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Abortionists: Shelley Sella, Susan Robinson, Carmen Landau, Curtis Boyd, Emily Rothman
New Mexico is the “Wild West” for late-term abortionists because there are essentially no laws restricting the practice or regulating it. This facility is the largest late-term abortion facility in the U.S. It uses the Induction Abortion technique for most late-term abortions, which is a modified “partial birth abortion” procedure. Documentation exists that provide details of a severely botched 35-week abortion there in 2011, which ruptured the uterus of the patient.

2. Boulder Abortion Clinic, Boulder, Colorado
Owned and operated by Warren Hern
Like New Mexico, Colorado law allows for abortions through all nine months of pregnancy. Hern has written text books on abortion and even invented new abortion instruments over his long career. According to a Federal Court lawsuit filed in Colorado, one patient suffered a horrific THIRD TRIMESTER dismemberment abortion complication in 2013, wherein a four-centimeter slightly curved section of bone from her aborted baby’s skull was left inside her and became imbedded in her uterus. She may never bear another child.

3. Women’s Med Center, Dayton, Ohio
Owned and operated by Martin Haskell
Haskell has been credited with inventing the partial birth abortion procedure, although that claim is in dispute. Haskell’s abortion facility has had a number of documented botched abortions. Most recently, information surfaced that his facility conducted a forced late-term abortion on a woman who was incapable of consenting. He has had issues maintaining his abortion facility license since he cannot qualify for a hospital transfer agreement as required by law. He currently operates under a variance that allows him an exemption from the transfer agreement requirement.

4. Pro-Choice Medical Center, Beverly Hills, California
Owned and operated by Josepha Seletz
Seletz uses the Induction Abortion method for very late-term abortions, which she will gladly do in the event of a “fetal anomaly.” She boasts of being “the most experienced abortion provider in the Western United States.”

5. Germantown Reproductive Health Services, Germantown, Maryland
Abortionist: LeRoy Carhart
While late-term abortions are inherently more risky than the first trimester variety, LeRoy Carhart is among the worst late-term abortionists in the nation. He is responsible for the deaths of two late-term abortion patients: Jennifer Morbelli, 29, who died of complications to a 33-week abortion on February 7, 2013, and Christin Gilbert, 19, who died from a third trimester Carhart abortion in Kansas in 2005. Numerous life-threatening botched abortionshave characterized the past few years of his career. Carhart has been subpoenaed by the House Select Panel on Infant Lives, which suspects Carhart has illegally trafficked in aborted baby body parts and had babies born alive at his abortion facility.

WE HAVE STOP ELECTING THESE BRAINLESS OFFICIALS THAT ENACT THESE LAWS!

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

As well as the other side:

Below are FIVE places where women can get abortions through the NINTH MONTH of pregnancy, RIGHT NOW!

1. Southwestern Women’s Options, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Abortionists: Shelley Sella, Susan Robinson, Carmen Landau, Curtis Boyd, Emily Rothman
New Mexico is the “Wild West” for late-term abortionists because there are essentially no laws restricting the practice or regulating it. This facility is the largest late-term abortion facility in the U.S. It uses the Induction Abortion technique for most late-term abortions, which is a modified “partial birth abortion” procedure. Documentation exists that provide details of a severely botched 35-week abortion there in 2011, which ruptured the uterus of the patient.

2. Boulder Abortion Clinic, Boulder, Colorado
Owned and operated by Warren Hern
Like New Mexico, Colorado law allows for abortions through all nine months of pregnancy. Hern has written text books on abortion and even invented new abortion instruments over his long career. According to a Federal Court lawsuit filed in Colorado, one patient suffered a horrific THIRD TRIMESTER dismemberment abortion complication in 2013, wherein a four-centimeter slightly curved section of bone from her aborted baby’s skull was left inside her and became imbedded in her uterus. She may never bear another child.

3. Women’s Med Center, Dayton, Ohio
Owned and operated by Martin Haskell
Haskell has been credited with inventing the partial birth abortion procedure, although that claim is in dispute. Haskell’s abortion facility has had a number of documented botched abortions. Most recently, information surfaced that his facility conducted a forced late-term abortion on a woman who was incapable of consenting. He has had issues maintaining his abortion facility license since he cannot qualify for a hospital transfer agreement as required by law. He currently operates under a variance that allows him an exemption from the transfer agreement requirement.

4. Pro-Choice Medical Center, Beverly Hills, California
Owned and operated by Josepha Seletz
Seletz uses the Induction Abortion method for very late-term abortions, which she will gladly do in the event of a “fetal anomaly.” She boasts of being “the most experienced abortion provider in the Western United States.”

5. Germantown Reproductive Health Services, Germantown, Maryland
Abortionist: LeRoy Carhart
While late-term abortions are inherently more risky than the first trimester variety, LeRoy Carhart is among the worst late-term abortionists in the nation. He is responsible for the deaths of two late-term abortion patients: Jennifer Morbelli, 29, who died of complications to a 33-week abortion on February 7, 2013, and Christin Gilbert, 19, who died from a third trimester Carhart abortion in Kansas in 2005. Numerous life-threatening botched abortionshave characterized the past few years of his career. Carhart has been subpoenaed by the House Select Panel on Infant Lives, which suspects Carhart has illegally trafficked in aborted baby body parts and had babies born alive at his abortion facility.

WE HAVE STOP ELECTING THESE BRAINLESS OFFICIALS THAT ENACT THESE LAWS!

Cool story bro. Now try actually writing something relevant to the OP.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

As well as the other side:

Below are FIVE places where women can get abortions through the NINTH MONTH of pregnancy, RIGHT NOW!

1. Southwestern Women’s Options, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Abortionists: Shelley Sella, Susan Robinson, Carmen Landau, Curtis Boyd, Emily Rothman
New Mexico is the “Wild West” for late-term abortionists because there are essentially no laws restricting the practice or regulating it. This facility is the largest late-term abortion facility in the U.S. It uses the Induction Abortion technique for most late-term abortions, which is a modified “partial birth abortion” procedure. Documentation exists that provide details of a severely botched 35-week abortion there in 2011, which ruptured the uterus of the patient.

2. Boulder Abortion Clinic, Boulder, Colorado
Owned and operated by Warren Hern
Like New Mexico, Colorado law allows for abortions through all nine months of pregnancy. Hern has written text books on abortion and even invented new abortion instruments over his long career. According to a Federal Court lawsuit filed in Colorado, one patient suffered a horrific THIRD TRIMESTER dismemberment abortion complication in 2013, wherein a four-centimeter slightly curved section of bone from her aborted baby’s skull was left inside her and became imbedded in her uterus. She may never bear another child.

3. Women’s Med Center, Dayton, Ohio
Owned and operated by Martin Haskell
Haskell has been credited with inventing the partial birth abortion procedure, although that claim is in dispute. Haskell’s abortion facility has had a number of documented botched abortions. Most recently, information surfaced that his facility conducted a forced late-term abortion on a woman who was incapable of consenting. He has had issues maintaining his abortion facility license since he cannot qualify for a hospital transfer agreement as required by law. He currently operates under a variance that allows him an exemption from the transfer agreement requirement.

4. Pro-Choice Medical Center, Beverly Hills, California
Owned and operated by Josepha Seletz
Seletz uses the Induction Abortion method for very late-term abortions, which she will gladly do in the event of a “fetal anomaly.” She boasts of being “the most experienced abortion provider in the Western United States.”

5. Germantown Reproductive Health Services, Germantown, Maryland
Abortionist: LeRoy Carhart
While late-term abortions are inherently more risky than the first trimester variety, LeRoy Carhart is among the worst late-term abortionists in the nation. He is responsible for the deaths of two late-term abortion patients: Jennifer Morbelli, 29, who died of complications to a 33-week abortion on February 7, 2013, and Christin Gilbert, 19, who died from a third trimester Carhart abortion in Kansas in 2005. Numerous life-threatening botched abortionshave characterized the past few years of his career. Carhart has been subpoenaed by the House Select Panel on Infant Lives, which suspects Carhart has illegally trafficked in aborted baby body parts and had babies born alive at his abortion facility.

WE HAVE STOP ELECTING THESE BRAINLESS OFFICIALS THAT ENACT THESE LAWS!

Ken, I'm one of those who thinks that using over-the-top examples to win debates on matters of general principles is not very productive. And let me point out, you state you want to stop electing officials "that enact these laws," when in fact what you've shown are examples of people acting in the absence of any laws. Read what you said about New Mexico; "because there are essentially no laws restricting the practice or regulating it (abortion)"

I've said before, and I'll say again: I do not like the idea of abortion very much, and most especially when it's used essentially as the lazy or forgetful means of "contraception" by those who were too lazy or forgetful to be bothered. But I cannot think that even you believe there is never a case to be made to permit a woman to abort. Think about that, please.

Writing laws that deal with very difficult, very emotional, very complex situations can be excessively difficult. How do law makers include considerations like: rape by a family member (esp. a father); severe genetic deformity (and at what stage in the pregnancy that is discovered); possible danger to the mother's life (for lots of reasons).

And I'd like you to think about whether all unwanted children get adopted and have chances for good lives...the truth is, they don't. I wasn't, though I longed to be.

Absolute rules are easy to articulate, but extremely dodgy in a world that refuses to be absolutely uniform.

Your religious beliefs, your intelligence and your own humanity should all be part of who you are and what you wish for. Try to bring them all together at once. And when you do, then try to imagine scenarios of every kind, as I do, and while you are doing that, try to include in your thinking what's going on in the mind of the woman considering abortion. What does she feel, or fear?

And when you've done all that, tell us what law you would pass that would cover all situations.

 

[FragrantGrace]

As well as the other side:

Below are FIVE places where women can get abortions through the NINTH MONTH of pregnancy, RIGHT NOW!

1. Southwestern Women’s Options, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Abortionists: Shelley Sella, Susan Robinson, Carmen Landau, Curtis Boyd, Emily Rothman
New Mexico is the “Wild West” for late-term abortionists because there are essentially no laws restricting the practice or regulating it. This facility is the largest late-term abortion facility in the U.S. It uses the Induction Abortion technique for most late-term abortions, which is a modified “partial birth abortion” procedure. Documentation exists that provide details of a severely botched 35-week abortion there in 2011, which ruptured the uterus of the patient.

2. Boulder Abortion Clinic, Boulder, Colorado
Owned and operated by Warren Hern
Like New Mexico, Colorado law allows for abortions through all nine months of pregnancy. Hern has written text books on abortion and even invented new abortion instruments over his long career. According to a Federal Court lawsuit filed in Colorado, one patient suffered a horrific THIRD TRIMESTER dismemberment abortion complication in 2013, wherein a four-centimeter slightly curved section of bone from her aborted baby’s skull was left inside her and became imbedded in her uterus. She may never bear another child.

3. Women’s Med Center, Dayton, Ohio
Owned and operated by Martin Haskell
Haskell has been credited with inventing the partial birth abortion procedure, although that claim is in dispute. Haskell’s abortion facility has had a number of documented botched abortions. Most recently, information surfaced that his facility conducted a forced late-term abortion on a woman who was incapable of consenting. He has had issues maintaining his abortion facility license since he cannot qualify for a hospital transfer agreement as required by law. He currently operates under a variance that allows him an exemption from the transfer agreement requirement.

4. Pro-Choice Medical Center, Beverly Hills, California
Owned and operated by Josepha Seletz
Seletz uses the Induction Abortion method for very late-term abortions, which she will gladly do in the event of a “fetal anomaly.” She boasts of being “the most experienced abortion provider in the Western United States.”

5. Germantown Reproductive Health Services, Germantown, Maryland
Abortionist: LeRoy Carhart
While late-term abortions are inherently more risky than the first trimester variety, LeRoy Carhart is among the worst late-term abortionists in the nation. He is responsible for the deaths of two late-term abortion patients: Jennifer Morbelli, 29, who died of complications to a 33-week abortion on February 7, 2013, and Christin Gilbert, 19, who died from a third trimester Carhart abortion in Kansas in 2005. Numerous life-threatening botched abortionshave characterized the past few years of his career. Carhart has been subpoenaed by the House Select Panel on Infant Lives, which suspects Carhart has illegally trafficked in aborted baby body parts and had babies born alive at his abortion facility.

WE HAVE STOP ELECTING THESE BRAINLESS OFFICIALS THAT ENACT THESE LAWS!

There's one state to my knowledge where a woman can decide she wants to abort after her baby has been delivered.
That is actually infanticide. Moloch worshipers on the NY Legislature cheered and celebrated on the floor when the bill passed and as promised the NY Gov. signed it into law.
I wonder when there will be news that some female who decided she'd had enough of being a parent kills her child and then cites that abortion law as what makes prosecution impossible. After all, legalizing infanticide in a delivery room makes infanticide itself legal everywhere in New York.

 

[PureX]

This is what republican politicians do when they know they aren't going to do anything to help the middle and working class idiots that vote for them, but need to appear as if they are. They know the courts aren't going to allow this nonsense, but they can use it to distract their supporters and get them to blame it all on the "other guys". It's no different from the democrats claiming they want universal health care but the "other guys" won't let them do it. When they had a super-majority in the house AND the senate, and the president asked them to do it, they still didn't.

It's just political grandstanding and their idiot supporters keep falling for it time after time after time. Have been for decades.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

There's one state to my knowledge where a woman can decide she wants to abort after her baby has been delivered.
That is actually infanticide. Moloch worshipers on the NY Legislature cheered and celebrated on the floor when the bill passed and as promised the NY Gov. signed it into law.
I wonder when there will be news that some female who decided she'd had enough of being a parent kills her child and then cites that abortion law as what makes prosecution impossible. After all, legalizing infanticide in a delivery room makes infanticide itself legal everywhere in New York.

I bet you a years' salary that that is in no way an accurate reflection of anything that actually happens. Late term abortion is an exceptionally unusual measure, and the idea that anyone would carry an otherwise healthy pregnancy to term only to then decide to kill a healthy baby would be laughable if it weren't such a callous misrepresentation of the suffering and heartache that occurs in such cases.

But by all means, prove me wrong. Show us all these women lining up to carry pregnancies to term then kill their otherwise healthy babies. I'll wait.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There's one state to my knowledge where a woman can decide she wants to abort after her baby has been delivered.
That is actually infanticide. Moloch worshipers on the NY Legislature cheered and celebrated on the floor when the bill passed and as promised the NY Gov. signed it into law.
I wonder when there will be news that some female who decided she'd had enough of being a parent kills her child and then cites that abortion law as what makes prosecution impossible. After all, legalizing infanticide in a delivery room makes infanticide itself legal everywhere in New York.

Did you actually check any sources on this bill which allegedly permits infanticide? Just asking because it is, in very real fact, not true.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Did you actually check any sources on this bill which allegedly permits infanticide? Just asking because it is, in very real fact, not true.

It sounds like it's lifted uncritically from Trump's woefully erroneous (even by Trumpian standards) recent speech.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=298476101085192

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Off the wall thought.

Those who have been aborted are the lucky ones.
They go straight to heaven without being subjected to the miseries of life on earth.

 

[FragrantGrace]

Did you actually check any sources on this bill which allegedly permits infanticide? Just asking because it is, in very real fact, not true.

Sorry Snopes, But New York’s Abortion Law Means on Demand Any Time Before Birth

 

[sun rise]

There's one state to my knowledge where a woman can decide she wants to abort after her baby has been delivered.
That is actually infanticide. Moloch worshipers on the NY Legislature cheered and celebrated on the floor when the bill passed and as promised the NY Gov. signed it into law.
I wonder when there will be news that some female who decided she'd had enough of being a parent kills her child and then cites that abortion law as what makes prosecution impossible. After all, legalizing infanticide in a delivery room makes infanticide itself legal everywhere in New York.

You're wrong. Reproductive Health Act - Wikipedia

Critics argued that the vagueness of the "health" provision effectively legalized abortion up until the moment of birth.

Personally I would draw a line where the fetus is viable outside the womb and therefore think that the NY State law goes way too far.

If you care about making your case, being accurate about what you don't like is needed.

 

[sun rise]

Sorry Snopes, But New York’s Abortion Law Means on Demand Any Time Before Birth

There's one state to my knowledge where a woman can decide she wants to abort after her baby has been delivered.

So you did go too far before.

 

[FragrantGrace]

So you did go too far before.

Not in the least.

 

[FragrantGrace]

You're wrong. Reproductive Health Act - Wikipedia

Critics argued that the vagueness of the "health" provision effectively legalized abortion up until the moment of birth.

Personally I would draw a line where the fetus is viable outside the womb and therefore think that the NY State law goes way too far.

If you care about making your case, being accurate about what you don't like is needed.

If you care about reality don't use Wikipedia as your go-to. Oh, and read the article I linked so you realize what the NY abortion bill actually allows. The facts are in the language of the bill.
In NY before the new bill was passed, abortion was not allowed after 24 weeks.

 

[Left Coast]

If you care about reality don't use Wikipedia as your go-to.

If you care about reality don't use Focus on the Family as your go-to. Their distortion of the law is absurd. No one at 39 weeks pregnant all of a sudden says, "you know what, I just don't want this baby, let's abort." So no, it is not abortion on demand. That's just factually wrong.
You originally claimed that women could legally choose to kill their newborn after delivery. Do you now retract that claim?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

There's one state to my knowledge where a woman can decide she wants to abort after her baby has been delivered.
That is actually infanticide. Moloch worshipers on the NY Legislature cheered and celebrated on the floor when the bill passed and as promised the NY Gov. signed it into law.
I wonder when there will be news that some female who decided she'd had enough of being a parent kills her child and then cites that abortion law as what makes prosecution impossible. After all, legalizing infanticide in a delivery room makes infanticide itself legal everywhere in New York.

It has already happened-- multiple times-- A Good Christian Mom, realizes that the world is an awful place, and drowns her children.

In fact, this has happened so often, it's become a Trope.

Of course-- it goes right along with her God: Who Drowned The Entire World-- Including ALL the Babies, Pregnant women, and Infants, that One Time.

They are simply following god's example, right? Psalm 137:9.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

then, there is this

 

[dianaiad]

then, there is this

Y'know, that bit about the cupcakes is bogus and lousy logic.
In order for those bits of batter to BECOME cupcakes, the cook has to heat up the oven and put them in, bake them for the required time, take them out, cool them and, perhaps, decorate them. In other words, in order for that batter to become cupcakes, the cook has to actively do something to see to it that they ARE cupcakes. If s/he just leaves them on the counter, they never will. At every point in the process, the cook has to do something to see to it that cupcakes result.

But...

Babies, once conceived, do not require the active, intellectual cooperation of the mother or father. If they do nothing...a baby is born. If they do nothing (leave the batter on the counter) the baby takes itself through the measures of its growth and birth. IF it dies, it's because something went physically wrong, not because mom neglected to do something at the proper instant...like, oh, heating the oven up to the proper temperature, putting the batter in it, waiting the allotted time, being certain that the cupcakes come out when they are done.

The parents have to actually do something to PREVENT that process from happening.

Therefore the trope you give us simply doesn't work and isn't accurate. You guys don't HAVE a trope that works and is accurate, come to think about it.

You just want to think they do.