metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
How about taxing corporations and the wealthy at the same rate that the rest of us pay, and then take and invest this money in that which actually can help us all?
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How about taxing corporations and the wealthy at the same rate that the rest of us pay, and then take and invest this money in that which actually can help us all?
I agree.
I'd also like to note that making any matters, but especially conservation, all about money is missing the point entirely. It drives me absolutely crazy when folks make discussions about upholding proper environmental ethics boil down to currency as if it's the only ruddy thing that matters. Worship of money is a gross misplacement of values, IMHO.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Oh, do I agree with you-- in spades.
Money is a god in such a discussion though, because it is the measure by which limited
resources are allocated. If money didn't matter, we'd all be driving government
supplied Tesla sports cars using electricity from by direct solar generation.
Really? Most people pay no Federal tax at all.
Hit the big bad corporations, that will keep them in our country.
Who are the corporations? The shareholders.who are the shareholders? Mostly folks saving for retirement. Make corporations pay more means share holders get less. When they bail, then what?
I know, invest in a corporation out of the country, great plan!
Just more income redistribution.
Tax the rich? The rich need no additional income, no income no tax liability.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If you reread what I actually posted instead of fabricating fiction, you'd note that what I proposed was for them to pay the same rate-- not more-- not less.
What tax and spend liberals miss is, States like New York and California did increase taxes and the people left.
The United States has the highest tax rate for corporations world wide.
Many corporations have left the country for cheaper energy and taxes.
New York has seen the light and now has tax free zones to business start ups.
The United States has the highest tax rate for corporations world wide.
Many corporations have left the country for cheaper energy and taxes.
New York has seen the light and now has tax free zones to business start ups.
the same rate? That would be zero for the majority of Americans.
Perhaps you are talking about capital gains?
Once again, why would a corporation stay in the States when we all ready have the highest rate world wide?
It's not the tax rate silly, it should be half of what it is now and be the cheapest world wide so we could take in more revenue collectively not run corporations off.
With all the coal we have here, we should have the cheapest electricity too.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nice stereotype which, btw, literally has nothing to do with what's been said recently here.
Gross tax rate, not net. Several years ago, the top 50 corporations paid literally no federal taxes, and some even received government subsidies to boot.
This was happening even before the drive for green energy, plus we allowed out of our "wisdom" companies to do this and get tax breaks on top of this.
I have no problem with that.
You seem to be missing the point entirely.
Money is an abstraction.
Quintessence pointed out, quite correctly, that attempting to reduce the relevant factors to just a comparison of costs and profits is very dangerous. We end up literally glossing over the relevant matters and attempting to substitute apples for oranges.
Thinking in the short term and expanding while relying on fossil fuels and poluent technologies can only backfire. It is not a danger, but rather a certainty.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, pollution and global warming means nothing to you? Money is more important than either?
And yet our government thinks in the short term borrowing money we do not have and will never be able to pay back.
Talk about short sightless destined to backfire.
You completely miss my point, we may have expensive renewables here some day but China and India will still burn coal and make everything on the planet.
This is kinda like you recycling while I burn trash next door, the neighborhood still stinks.
You want to solve a global problem with a symbolic effort in a few countries.
To quote my favorite Brazilistanian....
"You seem to be missing the point entirely."
You believe that I'm focusing on short term profits, but I'm not.
You argue against expansion of fossil fuel reliance, but I agree.
We cannot solve problems without looking at costs & benefits when allocating
resources (labor & material), which will fundamentally be measured in currency.
But hey what do I know, I live in an off grid home while my good friends here power thei computers with coal powered electricity.
They want other folks to provide them with renewable energy:
Just as when electricity rates become unaffordable, they will want the nanny government to foot the bill for them.
Talk about hypocrisy, don't like coal, don't use electricity.
How ignorant is it to think we can stop climate change while other countries do nothing.
A global problem needs a global solution. I done my bit, what have you done?
They want other folks to provide them with renewable energy:
Just as when electricity rates become unaffordable, they will want the nanny government to foot the bill for them.
Talk about hypocrisy, don't like coal, don't use electricity.
How ignorant is it to think we can stop climate change while other countries do nothing.
A global problem needs a global solution. I done my bit, what have you done?
Huh. Who would have thought that the fact that I choose not to randomly kill people would be regarded as a "symbolic effort." Because gee, someone else out there will commit murder for sure! That I don't personally murder people doesn't mean squat! :sarcastic
Same logic, bud.
We still will have global warming, climate change or whatever scientists are calling it this week.
Wrong about California at least. It's the opposite. The CA economy is leading the nation and housing prices are going through the roof in the Bay Area as more people get jobs and want to buy houses. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc.../09/california-economic-recovery-leads.htmlis one of many many articles.As far as the tax rate goes, it's a mess. I'm in favor of getting rid of ALL deductions and instituting a gross receipts tax at a much lower rate. The more efficient a business is, the more profit it makes. I'd theoretically like to see a different system but the reality is that any loopholes no matter how warranted means too many loopholes for all.
The California economy might be leading the nation but the States check book is in the red.
Yes people come to Cali to make their fortune but don't stick around to pay the draconian taxes for too long.
Yes people come to Cali to make their fortune but don't stick around to pay the draconian taxes for too long.
How you come to this conclusion when I live green is truely laughable.
How many trees have you planted in your life time?
No matter how green I become, or our nation for that matter, global warming issues will not be affected.
Would I like to see more green technology? Sure I would but my issue with you is you want others to pay for things we cannot afford when it would reap no results