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Oklahoma a Step Closer to Requiring a Database on Patients Who Have Had Abortions

Laniakea

Not of this world
That's what everyone thought in The Handmaid's Tale as well.

Which was all fine and dandy until a new government took over (violently) and criminalized (as in, death penalty) all abortions retroactively. This database would make it super easy to target women who have had abortions.

Nice little "tale", but let's just stick with reality here. Don't let Hollywood fiction cause you panic over government conspiracy theories.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Just as they "loved" Roe vs. Wade being overturned? Then it shows that democrats only love what will help them win an election rather than what they claim is so great for their constituents.
Err, if the majority of the electorate didn't want Roe v Wade overturned, then the Dems are supporting the popular choice of their constituents; if that wins an election, then so be it.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Err, if the majority of the electorate didn't want Roe v Wade overturned, then the Dems are supporting the popular choice of their constituents; if that wins an election, then so be it.
Then you're admitting that democrat politicians must be happy that Roe vs. Wade got overturned due to it helping them get elected. It indicates that they don't care about the people, but only themselves, which means that they aren't serving the people at all.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Then you're admitting that democrat politicians must be happy that Roe vs. Wade got overturned due to it helping them get elected. It indicates that they don't care about the people, but only themselves, which means that they aren't serving the people at all.
No, they are not happy.
BUT they are correctly capitalising on the GOP's stupidity in revoking RvW.
They do care about the people because they are backing the majority opinion, which is RvW should NOT have been overturned.
The Dems can't believe their luck .... Trump, RvW, a booming economy, GOP refusing border control ... it is all in their favour
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
No, they are not happy.
BUT they are correctly capitalising on the GOP's stupidity in revoking RvW.
They do care about the people because they are backing the majority opinion, which is RvW should NOT have been overturned.
The Dems can't believe their luck .... Trump, RvW, a booming economy, GOP refusing border control ... it is all in their favour
Republicans can't believe the dems' luck either. They have a president who is barely able to find his way off the stage, even to get to an ice cream cone, and is losing in all polls to Trump. AND they don't get a choice. No Dem primary for voters to decide. Just "take biden and live with it".
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Republicans can't believe the dems' luck either. They have a president who is barely able to find his way off the stage, even to get to an ice cream cone, and is losing in all polls to Trump. AND they don't get a choice. No Dem primary for voters to decide. Just "take biden and live with it".
Yes, whereas the GOP are unbelievably electing Trump ... the only one that would lose against Biden.
btw Trump is as senile as Biden, have you heard him recently?
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Yes, whereas the GOP are unbelievably electing Trump ... the only one that would lose against Biden.
btw Trump is as senile as Biden, have you heard him recently?
At least we had a primary so the voters can make their choices known. In fact, that hasn't ended. It's still Trump vs Haley, even though Haley has been shown to have no chance of winning even a single state. But we still let the people cast their vote to say which one they prefer. We believe in democracy.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
At least we had a primary so the voters can make their choices known. In fact, that hasn't ended. It's still Trump vs Haley, even though Haley has been shown to have no chance of winning even a single state. But we still let the people cast their vote to say which one they prefer. We believe in democracy.
Have you studied history, sitting presidents are not normally challenged in the primaries, in any credible way. And when they are challenged they don't lose.
I stand to be corrected but I don't think an incumbent has been overturned in the 20th or 21st Centuries.
Why should the Dems rock the boat?
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
I don't trust them to keep them at that. These are wicked, cruel people who torture pregnant women and willingly risk the lives of health of the pregnant. They way they want to criminalize abortion how can we ever assume they won't abuse this?

Torture? Relax, brother. My point is simply that ALL medical procedures are tracked. Which is a good thing, IMHO. That is why we know the number of lung cancer deaths, heart attacks, etc., each year (down to the county level). I am against abortion.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Torture? Relax, brother. My point is simply that ALL medical procedures are tracked. Which is a good thing, IMHO. That is why we know the number of lung cancer deaths, heart attacks, etc., each year (down to the county level). I am against abortion.
First, I'm not a guy so not your brother.
Second, this is Republicans wanting a list if people doing something they want criminalized. If theu want stats then the FDA can get involved to track them, not partisan hacks who wamt abortion tried as murder.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Err, if the majority of the electorate didn't want Roe v Wade overturned, then the Dems are supporting the popular choice of their constituents; if that wins an election, then so be it.
It's not surprising, but I'm noticing many are entirely blind to the thrashings Reps have been getting since they ended Roe v Wade. So sure they were, until they've lost every election to criminalize abortion. Even snuffing a red wave hasn't made them realize America deeply disagrees with them on the subject.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
They could use it to kick people out of their churches, or if they want to run for office, or any position.
A disgusting idea. But I am going to predict that nothing like this will ever happen.

Because if something like this did exist, it would list just as many conservative/republican woman as democrats. If such a database did exist it would contain the names of the wives and daughters of republican congressmen, senators and governors, and perhaps the names of congresswomen themselves.

That will never be allowed to happen.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Abortions are wrongs to these folks.
I see no problem with it. We compile databases of everything else, so how is this different? More information and tracking makes for a safer society. And as long as these women haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Torture? Relax, brother. My point is simply that ALL medical procedures are tracked. Which is a good thing, IMHO. That is why we know the number of lung cancer deaths, heart attacks, etc., each year (down to the county level). I am against abortion.
This isn't about tracking the number of procedures, it is about creating a file that allows the government know personal medical history with identifiers. It is the government tracking you according to what you have done without your permission. Would you like the government to create a database with your voting history? Same idea.
Besides it is illegal under federal law through something called HIPAA which your doctor will ask you about every time to go to the office.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Have you studied history, sitting presidents are not normally challenged in the primaries, in any credible way. And when they are challenged they don't lose.
I stand to be corrected but I don't think an incumbent has been overturned in the 20th or 21st Centuries.
Why should the Dems rock the boat?

Didn't Trump lose in 2020? That's what I keep hearing, even though ignored evidence points to the contrary.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We can see that MAGA Republicans can't be trusted with human life and welfare. No one can trust that MAGAs will not abuse their power and threaten or even arrest women who had abortions. They are owed privacy, and should not have to fear the government.

Kansas already has seen what anti-abortion republicans wll do with private information.


Abortion controversy[edit]​

In 2005, Kline began investigating possible cases of child rape and illegal partial-birth and late-term abortions. In doing so, Kline requested the redacted medical records (without names) of 90 women and girls who either gave birth to a child or had an abortion. His office was ultimately granted these redacted records by the Kansas Supreme Court.[11][12]
On December 21, 2006, Kline charged abortion provider Dr. George Tiller with more than 30 misdemeanors, most involving abortions Tiller allegedly performed on minors. But just hours after the charges were unsealed, a Sedgwick County judge threw them out "at the request of Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston, who said her office had not been consulted by Kline."[13] However, on June 28, 2007, a 19-count indictment was unexpectedly filed against Tiller by Kline's successor, Paul J. Morrison. On March 27, 2009, Dr. Tiller was found not guilty of all 19 misdemeanor charges stemming from some abortions he performed at his Wichita clinic in 2003.[14] Despite the acquittal, Tiller was charged on December 12, 2008, by the Kansas Board of Healing Arts (KBHA) on 11 counts of illegal late-term abortions. The board had many appointees of anti-abortion Governor Sam Brownback, including a member from Operation Rescue West (ORW).[15][12] On May 31, 2009, while serving as an usher at his church's Sunday morning services, Tiller was assassinated by Scott Roeder, an ORW member who had the cell phone number of ORW staff member and convicted clinic arsonist Cheryl Sullenger, on a post-it note on his dashboard when he was apprehended fleeing, a few hours after the murder.[16][12]
In a related matter, Kline was named a defendant in a suit brought in the United States District Court for the District of Kansas challenging a state law requiring "doctors and other professionals"[17] to report "all consensual underage sexual activity as sexual abuse."[18] On April 18, 2006, Judge J. Thomas Marten agreed and issued a permanent injunction, ruling that such a policy violated the children's rights to informational privacy and could not be justified by Kansas law.[18]
In 2006, Kline and Operation Rescue claimed that Robert A. Estrada, an alleged rapist, was captured with the help of abortion clinic medical records subpoenaed as a result of Kline's investigation.[19] The District Attorney who prosecuted Estrada challenged ORW's claims, stating that Kline and the records had no involvement in the prosecution.[19]
Kline was suspended from practicing law due to the fact that he illegally accessed the private medical records of women who made the choice to have an abortion. He obtained some records provided on his demand to Dr. Kristin Neuhaus, whose prosecution he pursued after Dr. Tiller's assassination, and illegally disclosed them, including discussing them with then-Fox News host Bill O'Reilly on television.[12] The Kansas Supreme Court stated:​
So you either cannot or refuse to answer a simple question.
 

McBell

Unbound
I did answer it. The answer is in the link I provided. Now answer the question, can you guarantee abortion providers won't misuse patient data?
What specific part of that really long article is it you claim answers the question?
 
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