The concept of randomness comes up pretty frequently in our discussions. In particular, I have seen frequent complaints concerning the development of order out of 'randomness'. This shows up in discussion of evolution (mutations being random), quantum mechanics (quantum events being random), and cosmology (matter interacting randomly).
Often, randomness is conflated with 'accidental' and contrasted with 'intelligently produced'.
I'd like a discussion/debate about the meaning of randomness, its role in our beliefs, the contrast with causality, the issue of 'accident', and the role of 'intelligence' as opposed to 'randomness'.
I just skimmed the topic and I´ll post my comment there.
Yes. We all live on the same Earth; in the same Solar System; in the same Milky Way galaxy and in the same local part of the observable Universe. These common cosmological conditions contains and provides the collective archetypes from which we all origin. This is our direct communication with the creation such.
IMO this is where the general Jungian approach lacks a broader definition of "collective archetypes". We are all a part of the creative powers in the creation as such, and to me it is logical to include cosmic influences and images from this creation.
What do you mean here? Don´t you count on the Jungian dream interpretation, or what?
Humans, as a species, have collective propensities which define us as a species. A dog or cat has a certain behavioral nature that characterize them as a species. Humans are similar but more complex. These collective human propensities are genetic based and were called, by Jung, the archetypes of the collective unconscious.
Based on decades of observations and inference, Jung assumed the archetypes were empty at birth. The archetypes are brain firmware that are analogous to seeds, at birth. Like a tomato seed, the firmware starts very simple, yet contains the genetic information and potential, needed to grow into a specific plant that produces very specific fruit; mature tomato plant.
The firmware seeds, at birth, will grow; branch and wire themselves, driven by genetic potential. However, like a tomato seed, the final plant is not just based on the genetics, but it is also based on the interaction of the growing neural plant, with the external environment. Things like water, sun, shade, soil, rocks, bugs, nutrients, pests can impact the final plant. The firmware seeds have a genetic direction, which can be diverted or encouraged based on cultural and individual environments; nature and nurture.
In terms of the archetypes, Jung reversed engineered the seeds, based on the assumption of collective human propensities, same fro all humans, developing in different environments. Although all humans and culture have basic similarities, due to the seeds, they can be quite different, based on whether that culture had a black or green thumb.
Jung found parallels in mythological, religious and dream symbolisms, even within cultures that had no direct contact. The natural path of the seeds generates common symbolic outputs, with the mask made different due to the cultural watering and tending of the seeds. Religions were the caretakers of the seeds.
There are many levels of firmware, with the lowest, closest to the ego and conscious mind, connected to natural human instincts. The concept of the ID of Freud, was connected to this lowest level firmware, since it was most conscious of the firmware. The negative aspects of the ID was connected to long traditions of unnatural firmware farming. The result was somewhat mutant.
Jung would break this firmware down further, into symbolism like animals; green thumb, and beasts; black thumb. Although some mythology would have evil natural animals and helpful mutant animals; green-black thumbs, in their mythology.
