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On our forehead or hand...what does this sound like to you?

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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Christians have been afraid of this since the UPC code came out.
 

javajo

Well-Known Member
Here is what I believe: While bar codes, rdif chips, and these new stick on devices are not the Mark of the Beast as he will not be revealed until the restrainer (which I believe is the Holy Spirit in every believer)is taken out of the way, I believe this is the kind of technology he will employ so that no one may buy or sell without it. To take the Mark is to pledge allegiance to the Beast who will, half way through the Tribulation, set himself up as God in the Temple in Jerusalem, having been rebuilt, and will demand worship. Those who take the Mark will be destroyed at Christ's Coming and damned. Those who do not, but who have trusted Christ, if they survive to the end, will repopulate the earth for the 1,000 yr. Reign of Christ. If a lot of Christians are suddenly Raptured out--disappear, then it won't be long until the Antichrist is revealed and signs a seven year covenant with many, probably a peace agreement with Israel and the surrounding nations. I believe that time will be so bad I don't want to be in it, so I have trusted Christ who promises to keep us out of that time (Rev. 3:11).
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
I believe that:
. on your forehead means what's on your mind all the time.
. on your hand means what you do.

So there is always sign on our forehead and our hand.
A practice of something leaves a mark...
I would agree with this. Revelation was metaphoric, and so should this bit.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I'm not afraid of it. What will be, will be.

I'm sorry, Kat. "Afraid" is probably imprecise. "Concerned" or "aware," lifting up one's eyebrows at the possibility that this might be the mark of the beast...

Ever since I was a little kid, Christians told me that the mark of the beast would likely be something like a UPC code.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm sorry, Kat. "Afraid" is probably imprecise. "Concerned" or "aware," lifting up one's eyebrows at the possibility that this might be the mark of the beast...

Ever since I was a little kid, Christians told me that the mark of the beast would likely be something like a UPC code.

Aware is a good word for it.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
As for a pre-trib rapture - I personally don't see much, if any, biblical evidence for that, so my advice is, hope for the best but prepare for the worst!
 

javajo

Well-Known Member
Revelation 3:10 (KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
 

gdemoss

servant
Revelation 3:10 (KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

It seems that whether or not one goes through the tribulation is dependent upon works.

I have not been able to understand the end times prophecy in its entirety yet.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Revelation 3:10 (KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Sorry - don't see any guarantee of a pre trib rapture here. Where do you see it? How is "the hour of temptation" the tribulation?

Seems a stretch.
 

roberto

Active Member
Thanks - I'll check it out!

Pleasure Katthryn, by the way, as a former Christian i've always wondered why Paul took four of his mates and paid for a sin offering at the temple for the five of them, and that after jesus died for every ones sin ?

Act 21:18 The next day Sha'ul and the rest of us went in to Ya'akov, and all the elders were present.
Act 21:23 So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow.
Act 21:24 Take them with you, be purified with them, and pay the expenses connected with having their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that there is nothing to these rumors which they have heard about you; but that, on the contrary, you yourself stay in line and keep the Torah.
Act 21:25 "However, in regard to the Goyim who have come to trust in Yeshua, we all joined in writing them a letter with our decision that they should abstain from what had been sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled and from fornication."
Act 21:26 The next day Sha'ul took the men, purified himself along with them and entered the Temple to give notice of when the period of purification would be finished and the offering would have to be made for each of them.

And here you can find the explination of what Paul had to do :

Num 6:2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;
Num 6:13 "'This is the law for the nazir when his period of consecration is over: he is to be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting,
Num 6:14 where he will present his offering to ADONAI - one male lamb in its first year without defect as a burnt offering, one female lamb in its first year without defect as a sin offering, one ram without defect as peace offerings,
Num 6:21 "'This is the law for the nazir who makes a vow and for his offering to ADONAI for his being a nazir - in addition to anything more for which he has sufficient means. In keeping with whatever vow he makes, he must do it according to the law for the nazir.'"
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Pleasure Katthryn, by the way, as a former Christian i've always wondered why Paul took four of his mates and paid for a sin offering at the temple for the five of them, and that after jesus died for every ones sin ?

Act 21:18 The next day Sha'ul and the rest of us went in to Ya'akov, and all the elders were present.
Act 21:23 So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow.
Act 21:24 Take them with you, be purified with them, and pay the expenses connected with having their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that there is nothing to these rumors which they have heard about you; but that, on the contrary, you yourself stay in line and keep the Torah.
Act 21:25 "However, in regard to the Goyim who have come to trust in Yeshua, we all joined in writing them a letter with our decision that they should abstain from what had been sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled and from fornication."
Act 21:26 The next day Sha'ul took the men, purified himself along with them and entered the Temple to give notice of when the period of purification would be finished and the offering would have to be made for each of them.

And here you can find the explination of what Paul had to do :

Num 6:2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;
Num 6:13 "'This is the law for the nazir when his period of consecration is over: he is to be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting,
Num 6:14 where he will present his offering to ADONAI - one male lamb in its first year without defect as a burnt offering, one female lamb in its first year without defect as a sin offering, one ram without defect as peace offerings,
Num 6:21 "'This is the law for the nazir who makes a vow and for his offering to ADONAI for his being a nazir - in addition to anything more for which he has sufficient means. In keeping with whatever vow he makes, he must do it according to the law for the nazir.'"

Interesting.

It's also interesting that the passage in Acts doesn't detail Paul's actions as above.
 
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