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On the showing of the “pride flag, and appropriate activism.

Zwing

Active Member
Hey all. I had an experience earlier today which was a bit disturbing to me. I had occasion to stop at the local Audubon society center (Audubon - Wikipedia), and was surprised to encounter two so-called “pride flags” (the banner supporting homosexual rights) being displayed on the premises, while there are no other flags in evidence. My personal opinion about homosexuality is that it is no big deal, ever being an occasional natural occurrence in the population, and that in any case sexuality is a personal issue which should have no bearing on day-to-day social interaction.

I support the idea that homosexuals shouldn’t be discriminated against, and to that end I support the showing of the pride flag where doing so is appropriate and meaningful. An example of this is the showing of that banner by a welcoming Christian church; since Christianity has a history of anti-homosexual rhetoric and action, such a showing sends the message that “this particular church welcomes you”, and this justifies the flag being flown within that context. I can, however, see no similar justification for the “pride flag” to be flown on the premises of an environmental/naturalist center. Is there some history of environmental centers discriminating against homosexuals, of which I am unaware, and which might be said to justify such a showing, especially where no other flags, including the American flag, are flown?

I sought out an Audubon staff member, that I might express my feeling of impropriety to context. I was told by her that the flags were being shown to express support for “gay rights”. I responded that I didn’t think there to exist any supposition that the Audubon Society or any other environmental organization sought to discriminate against homosexuals or otherwise abrogate such “gay rights”. I was then favored with the spectacle of witnessing the woman shrugging her shoulders and saying, “well, that’s what we do here”. I then said to her that “Jews have faced quite a bit discrimination in this country and in all countries where they have represented a diasporic presence, why don’t you fly an Israeli flag as well? For that matter, why don’t you show an American flag?” Again, I was favored with the shrug, and a hearty “I got nothin’ for ‘ya”.

What do you make of this? Is it not inappropriate to show the “pride flag” within such a context? Is this a case of misplaced and inappropriate activism? Your thoughts and discussion please.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Maybe it's to honor a couple of gay birds. *grin*

Anyways it's ridiculous on how organizations try so hard to be hip and in on the latest social media fads.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
*shrug* we have pride flags st my clinic. It's a wellness clinic with massage, pt, nurses, chiro and naturopaths, so not an especially hot bed of debate.

But that doesn't matter to us because we as staff want to support both our LGBT peers and patients and let them know we're safe. Because not everyone in every business is.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe it's to honor a couple of gay birds. *grin*

Anyways it's ridiculous on how organizations try so hard to be hip and in on the latest social media fads.
Lol I wonder if the rainbow lorikeets run the local hub for all the gay birds to convene at
I mean they’re a literal rainbow after all :shrug:

As for businesses flashing the rainbow flag.
Like a business probably couldn’t care less if their money comes from gay folks or literal Nazis. Money is money. It’s cringe to see them try to pretend they’re up to date with all the social trends. I think we can all agree with that lol
But they’ve always done that
And I guess, at the end of the day, I’d rather a business say they support gay people than support homophobia.
That’s how low the bar is. Geez lol
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
What do you make of this? Is it not inappropriate to show the “pride flag” within such a context? Is this a case of misplaced and inappropriate activism? Your thoughts and discussion please.
June is Pride Month. The purpose of celebrating and displaying symbols is to bring awareness to gender equality, and in that sense, it is no different than displaying gold ribbons in September for Childhood Cancer Awareness. I find neither to be inappropriate.

It is merely a symbol for awareness. Thank you for taking the time to recognize this.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
Hey all. I had an experience earlier today which was a bit disturbing to me. I had occasion to stop at the local Audubon society center (Audubon - Wikipedia), and was surprised to encounter two so-called “pride flags” (the banner supporting homosexual rights) being displayed on the premises, while there are no other flags in evidence. My personal opinion about homosexuality is that it is no big deal, ever being an occasional natural occurrence in the population, and that in any case sexuality is a personal issue which should have no bearing on day-to-day social interaction.

I support the idea that homosexuals shouldn’t be discriminated against, and to that end I support the showing of the pride flag where doing so is appropriate and meaningful. An example of this is the showing of that banner by a welcoming Christian church; since Christianity has a history of anti-homosexual rhetoric and action, such a showing sends the message that “this particular church welcomes you”, and this justifies the flag being flown within that context. I can, however, see no similar justification for the “pride flag” to be flown on the premises of an environmental/naturalist center. Is there some history of environmental centers discriminating against homosexuals, of which I am unaware, and which might be said to justify such a showing, especially where no other flags, including the American flag, are flown?

I sought out an Audubon staff member, that I might express my feeling of impropriety to context. I was told by her that the flags were being shown to express support for “gay rights”. I responded that I didn’t think there to exist any supposition that the Audubon Society or any other environmental organization sought to discriminate against homosexuals or otherwise abrogate such “gay rights”. I was then favored with the spectacle of witnessing the woman shrugging her shoulders and saying, “well, that’s what we do here”. I then said to her that “Jews have faced quite a bit discrimination in this country and in all countries where they have represented a diasporic presence, why don’t you fly an Israeli flag as well? For that matter, why don’t you show an American flag?” Again, I was favored with the shrug, and a hearty “I got nothin’ for ‘ya”.

What do you make of this? Is it not inappropriate to show the “pride flag” within such a context? Is this a case of misplaced and inappropriate activism? Your thoughts and discussion please.
I find it interesting that their choice of flag would disturb someone so much.

It suggests that their choice may be more warranted than I spontaneously would have thought.

Humbly,
Hermit
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Hey all. I had an experience earlier today which was a bit disturbing to me. I had occasion to stop at the local Audubon society center (Audubon - Wikipedia), and was surprised to encounter two so-called “pride flags” (the banner supporting homosexual rights) being displayed on the premises, while there are no other flags in evidence. My personal opinion about homosexuality is that it is no big deal, ever being an occasional natural occurrence in the population, and that in any case sexuality is a personal issue which should have no bearing on day-to-day social interaction.

I support the idea that homosexuals shouldn’t be discriminated against, and to that end I support the showing of the pride flag where doing so is appropriate and meaningful. An example of this is the showing of that banner by a welcoming Christian church; since Christianity has a history of anti-homosexual rhetoric and action, such a showing sends the message that “this particular church welcomes you”, and this justifies the flag being flown within that context. I can, however, see no similar justification for the “pride flag” to be flown on the premises of an environmental/naturalist center. Is there some history of environmental centers discriminating against homosexuals, of which I am unaware, and which might be said to justify such a showing, especially where no other flags, including the American flag, are flown?

I sought out an Audubon staff member, that I might express my feeling of impropriety to context. I was told by her that the flags were being shown to express support for “gay rights”. I responded that I didn’t think there to exist any supposition that the Audubon Society or any other environmental organization sought to discriminate against homosexuals or otherwise abrogate such “gay rights”. I was then favored with the spectacle of witnessing the woman shrugging her shoulders and saying, “well, that’s what we do here”. I then said to her that “Jews have faced quite a bit discrimination in this country and in all countries where they have represented a diasporic presence, why don’t you fly an Israeli flag as well? For that matter, why don’t you show an American flag?” Again, I was favored with the shrug, and a hearty “I got nothin’ for ‘ya”.

What do you make of this? Is it not inappropriate to show the “pride flag” within such a context? Is this a case of misplaced and inappropriate activism? Your thoughts and discussion please.
Oh dear. Get over it,
I love to see Pride Flags, they are usually in shops/institutions with compassionate people.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
June is Pride Month. The purpose of celebrating and displaying symbols is to bring awareness to gender equality, and in that sense, it is no different than displaying gold ribbons in September for Childhood Cancer Awareness. I find neither to be inappropriate.

It is merely a symbol for awareness. Thank you for taking the time to recognize this.
^ THIS.

I then said to her that “Jews have faced quite a bit discrimination in this country and in all countries where they have represented a diasporic presence, why don’t you fly an Israeli flag as well?

israel_gay_pride1_wide-2421ec4314808d73ec47eb4227330db7afdc030e.jpg
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Is there some history of environmental centers discriminating against homosexuals, of which I am unaware, and which might be said to justify such a showing, especially where no other flags, including the American flag, are flown?

There's a history throughout American culture (though not just America, certainly) of discriminating against LGBTQ people. I'm sure that the Audubon Society wasn't immune.

IMO, homophobia is so prevalent in the US that any organization proclaiming themselves as gay-friendly is useful information.

... but displaying Pride flags isn't just about informing the public.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The Audubon Society has many gay members, so I see nothing unusual about it choosing to display it's support for those member's rights during gay pride week/month, or whatever.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Hey all. I had an experience earlier today which was a bit disturbing to me. I had occasion to stop at the local Audubon society center (Audubon - Wikipedia), and was surprised to encounter two so-called “pride flags” (the banner supporting homosexual rights) being displayed on the premises, while there are no other flags in evidence. My personal opinion about homosexuality is that it is no big deal, ever being an occasional natural occurrence in the population, and that in any case sexuality is a personal issue which should have no bearing on day-to-day social interaction.

I support the idea that homosexuals shouldn’t be discriminated against, and to that end I support the showing of the pride flag where doing so is appropriate and meaningful. An example of this is the showing of that banner by a welcoming Christian church; since Christianity has a history of anti-homosexual rhetoric and action, such a showing sends the message that “this particular church welcomes you”, and this justifies the flag being flown within that context. I can, however, see no similar justification for the “pride flag” to be flown on the premises of an environmental/naturalist center. Is there some history of environmental centers discriminating against homosexuals, of which I am unaware, and which might be said to justify such a showing, especially where no other flags, including the American flag, are flown?

I sought out an Audubon staff member, that I might express my feeling of impropriety to context. I was told by her that the flags were being shown to express support for “gay rights”. I responded that I didn’t think there to exist any supposition that the Audubon Society or any other environmental organization sought to discriminate against homosexuals or otherwise abrogate such “gay rights”. I was then favored with the spectacle of witnessing the woman shrugging her shoulders and saying, “well, that’s what we do here”. I then said to her that “Jews have faced quite a bit discrimination in this country and in all countries where they have represented a diasporic presence, why don’t you fly an Israeli flag as well? For that matter, why don’t you show an American flag?” Again, I was favored with the shrug, and a hearty “I got nothin’ for ‘ya”.

What do you make of this? Is it not inappropriate to show the “pride flag” within such a context? Is this a case of misplaced and inappropriate activism? Your thoughts and discussion please.

It's Pride Month, so showing the pride flag should be appropriate anywhere.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Perhaps we need more flags on display, not less. :)
I'd like flags to raise awareness of how
Americans would take one look and think
I dont speak English, then say they cant understand me when I do.
Another for past and present " systemic"
anti asian discrmination.

"Fewer" not "less". "Less" is for things you cannot count.
Like air.
 

Zwing

Active Member
I find it interesting that their choice of flag would disturb someone so much.

It suggests that their choice may be more warranted than I spontaneously would have thought.
It bothers me not because of the meaning of the flag itself, but only because of what I conceive of as the contextual inappropriateness of the display. I would be similarly bothered if I saw displayed at that location that funky black-white-and blue version of the American Flag which is used by people to show support for the police (I don’t even know what this is called…).

This is the flag of which I speak (and which I think should be illegal in the first place for bastardizing our American Flag):
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Apparently, this is called the “thin blue line flag” (who knew?), and is used to express support for police officers. As I say, I oppose this flag in and of itself for representing a bastardization of the U.S. flag, but even if it were not so, I would disagree with it being displayed at the Audubon society center, since it is inappropriate to that venue.

The question in my mind in both cases would be “what the heck does this have to do with the mission of the Audubon Society, or with environmentalism in general?” It seems distractive…if a person goes to the Audubon Society center, he goes to become informed upon the fauna and flora of his local environment, not to be “virtue messaged” about something absolutely unrelated to this.
 
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