On the showing of the “pride flag, and appropriate activism.

[Zwing]

You just described being triggered by the sight of the Pride flag. Personally, I'm reserving judgment on whether you're homophobic.

The assessment of the proper display of a symbol has nothing to do with how one views sexuality. I have always had close friends who are homosexual, and their sexual preferences are of little concern to me as compared with their other values and general psychological makeup. Again, this thread is not about private sexuality, but about the public display of symbols.

 

[Zwing]

No. They're not my cup of tea. I just know I wouldn't bring my kids to Pride. I wouldn't want to have to explain why a man is whipping another man, etc. I wish they would make up their minds whether to be sexualized or family friendly at these parades and festivals. Can't be both. It's jarring and disturbing.

I agree. I wouldn’t want my kids to see a man whipping a woman in panties and garters, or vice-versa, either! Ultimately, these overt displays of sexuality, actually of sexual perversion, have nothing to do with sexual preference. I have little idea of what their purpose is, though, beyond the desire to shock and alienate people.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The assessment of the proper display of a symbol has nothing to do with how one views sexuality. I have always had close friends who are homosexual, and their sexual preferences are of little concern to me as compared with their other values and general psychological makeup. Again, this thread is not about private sexuality, but about the public display of symbols.

"Proper display?" Your personal tastes are not some version of the Flag Code for Pride flags.

It's personal expression. People display it as they see fit, and if someone displays it in a way that you wouldn't, that's fine. It's their expression, not yours.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I agree. I wouldn’t want my kids to see a man whipping a woman in panties and garters, or vice-versa, either! Ultimately, these overt displays of sexuality, actually of sexual perversion, have nothing to do with sexual preference. I have little idea of what their purpose is, though, beyond the desire to shock and alienate people.

They're just perverts. I wouldn't really care if it weren't in public in broad daylight with toddlers and babies around.

 

[Audie]

You're really going there?
Perhaps your neck o' the woods just has a problem with manners.

That was usa

My neck of woods is Singapore now.

 

[Audie]

"Proper display?" Your personal tastes are not some version of the Flag Code for Pride flags.

It's personal expression. People display it as they see fit, and if someone displays it in a way that you wouldn't, that's fine. It's their expression, not yours.

The point of display is not personal
Viewing by the displayist

 

[Zwing]

You just described being triggered by the sight of the Pride flag. Personally, I'm reserving judgment on whether you're homophobic.

You’re not understanding. It is not because it’s the “pride flag”, in particular. So, I am of Schwiizerdütsch…SwissGerman…ancestry. If I saw the Swiss flag being displayed at the Audubon Center, I would be filled with the same feeling of inappropriateness that I felt upon seeing the pride flag. Can you see my meaning?

Would LGBT individuals feel any less welcome at the Audubon Center if there were no pride flag displayed? If the answer is “no”, then I think that indicative of the inpropriety of the display.

 

[Callisto]

What do you make of this? Is it not inappropriate to show the “pride flag” within such a context? Is this a case of misplaced and inappropriate activism? Your thoughts and discussion please.

It's unnecessary but a lot of companies virtual signal, it's seen as the thing to do even though the organization doesn't have any strong feelings or involvement one way or another. When I see places put up banners or flags for this or that cause, it means nothing. If they truly gave a damn then they'd have a banner or flag up year-round, a permanent mission statement in locations and materials. It's bs to make a show in June. Supposed alliance isn't a holiday season like Christmas or Halloween where you haul crap out for a month and then put it away. What about the gay or trans customer who comes along in February or October, how are they suppose to know the Audobon support them? "We support you in June with a flag." LOL It's empty platitudes, a way to act like they're doing something meaningful without any expenditure beyond the cost of the flag.

In a pluralistic society, it's a given businesses and organizations are open to the diverse public, so by default, it's understood they welcome all of their patrons. It's when a company runs counter to that then it's necessary to make a show of cleaning up their act. What do they do for Slavery & Human Trafficking Month or Sexual Assault Awareness Month or Suicide Prevention Month? All of those are issues that impact both straight and gay and trans people, can't get more inclusive than that. What about other special interest groups, do they acknowledge Asian Pacific American Heritage Month? Black History? Native American & Alaska Native Heritage Month? How about Women's History Month (or is that now Non-Man History Month)? National Disability Employment Month?

The best way to show actual inclusivity is to afford all the exact same considerations to everyone. Make a show of it for all or none at all.

 

[SomeRandom]

It's unnecessary but a lot of companies virtual signal, it's seen as the thing to do even though the organization doesn't have any strong feelings or involvement one way or another. When I see places put up banners or flags for this or that cause, it means nothing. If they truly gave a damn then they'd have a banner or flag up year-round, a permanent mission statement in locations and materials. It's bs to make a show in June. Supposed alliance isn't a holiday season like Christmas or Halloween where you haul crap out for a month and then put it away. What about the gay or trans customer who comes along in February or October, how are they suppose to know the Audobon support thems? "We support you in June with a flag." LOL It's empty platitudes, a way to act like they're doing something meaningful without any expenditure beyond the cost of the flag.

In a pluralistic society, it's a given businesses and organizations are open to the diverse public, so by default, it's understood they welcome all of their patrons. It's when a company runs counter to that then it's necessary to make a show of cleaning up their act. What do they do for Slavery & Human Trafficking Month or Sexual Assault Awareness Month or Suicide Prevention Month? All of those are issues that impact both straight and gay and trans people, can't get more inclusive than that. What about other special interest groups, do they acknowledge Asian Pacific American Heritage Month? Black History? Native American & Alaska Native Heritage Month? How about Women's History Month (or is that now Non-Man History Month)? National Disability Employment Month?

The best way to show actual inclusivity is to afford all the exact same considerations to everyone. Make a show of it for all or none at all.

Do all these communities have their own flags?
I feel like I’ve seen a couple of them around, but I don’t want to presume anything, if I’m mistaken. Like I swear I saw an Asian Pacific pride flag somewhere. But it could have just been a generic Pacific Island pride flag lol

 

[Zwing]

Like I swear I saw an Asian Pacific pride flag somewhere.

You must tell @Audie where…she wants to see one badly.

 

[SomeRandom]

You must tell @Audie where…she wants to see one badly.

Awww
It was actually a random Nick Nack shop here (I don’t know if that translates well?? You guys have that, right?)
The owner’s son I think married a lady from an Islander community. As is my understanding. So they displayed such flags all over the place. She’s a nice lady

 

[Callisto]

Do all these communities have their own flags?
I feel like I’ve seen a couple of them around, but I don’t want to presume anything

Fly flags or create banners, what does it matter? A special interest group is a special interest group. But yes, some have flags and ribbons.

women's flags (feminism symbol, Women's Sufferage/19th Amendment flag)

 

[SomeRandom]

Fly flags or create banners, what does it matter? A special interest group is a special interest group. But yes, some have flags and ribbons.

women's flags (feminism symbol, Women's Sufferage/19th Amendment flag)

Awesome
I think companies should fly all of these

 

[Twilight Hue]

How does one assimilate into a society where a portion of it opposes your inclusion?

By accepting the fact one will not change peoples minds all the time, and also accepting the fact the world dosent exclusively revolve around any individual or group and vice versa.

It's just the way it is.

 

[fantome profane]

I think I like the original best.

You strike me as the kind of guy who doesn't like change.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Awesome
I think companies should fly all of these

Also proud to be heterosexual flags along with it.

 

[SomeRandom]

By accepting the fact one will not change peoples minds all the time, and also accepting the fact the world dosent exclusively revolve around any individual or group and vice versa.

It's just the way it is.

Christ. If that doesn’t describe the American Evangelical movement, I don’t know what will. Like holy hell. From what I’ve seen, those guys are always whining about gay people, trans people, women even and cry every time society tells them no.
Biggest snowflakes ever. And they constantly (from what I’ve seen) decry the other side as snowflakes.

I was in that “facts don’t care about your feelings” crowd for a time. Yeah, they suck at controlling their own feelings.

I guess that’s where you guys got your Satanic Panic, right?

 

[SomeRandom]

Also proud to be heterosexual flags along with it.

Do we have a flag?
If so, fly it alongside. I don’t see any issue. But straight people constantly constantly push their lifestyle in other people’s faces.
What goes around comes around. Now it’s our turn. Suck it up, Princess. I say that as a straight person

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do we have a flag?
If so, fly it alongside. I don’t see any issue. But straight people constantly constantly push their lifestyle in other people’s faces.
What goes around comes around. Now it’s our turn. Suck it up, Princess. I say that as a straight person

Now you know why it's bigotry in reverse. Plus being straight is a lifestyle?

That's pretty funny.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Christ. If that doesn’t describe the American Evangelical movement, I don’t know what will. Like holy hell. From what I’ve seen, those guys are always whining about gay people, trans people, women even and cry every time society tells them no.
Biggest snowflakes ever. And they constantly (from what I’ve seen) decry the other side as snowflakes.

I was in that “facts don’t care about your feelings” crowd for a time. Yeah, they suck at controlling their own feelings.

I guess that’s where you guys got your Satanic Panic, right?

Whining is certainly a two way street. Isn't it?