"One Fact to Refute Creationism"

[Prestor John]

Genetics for one thing. Life is the product of evolution. Populations evolve, not individuals. Think of it as language. At no time did a Latin speaking mother give birth to a Spanish speaking baby. The language evolved and there is no line of demarcation between Spanish and Latin.



Once again, there never were only two.



They would not have been the only ones. You have to reinterpret the Bible rather extremely to account for that fact.

All of your comments are based on the assumption that Mankind has evolved from another species.

The scriptures refute that idea and I believe them to be true.

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

 

[Prestor John]

Is slavery bad? Is it immoral to own another person?

I believe slavery is bad and that it is immoral to own another person.

Do you take issue with God giving specific commandments in regards to the owning and treatment of slaves in ancient Israel?

God also gave ancient Israel specific commandments involving unintentional manslaughter and border disputes.

You don't believe that God should give specific commandments to His covenant people?

The wrong science we have already covered.

Are you talking about the idea that Mankind sprang from Adam and Eve.

All you said against that idea was "genetics" and then made assumptions about one species becoming another.

An example of a failed prophecy that also has an honesty test in it is the Tyre prophecy.

Would you mind citing this supposed failed prophecy?

 

[Subduction Zone]

All of your comments are based on the assumption that Mankind has evolved from another species.

No, I need to correct you from the start. It has been shown that man evolved from other species. Whether you realize it or not this is an accusation on your part. It is one that you cannot support and therefore a bearing of false witness.

The scriptures refute that idea and I believe them to be true.

But the scriptures have been shown to be wrong regardless of what you believe. Personal belief is still no excuse for breaking the Ninth Commandment.

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

Then at best you do not understand the evidence. Have you ever tried to learn why you are wrong? Most creationists do not even understand the concept of evidence and are afraid to learn.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe slavery is bad and that it is immoral to own another person.

Do you take issue with God giving specific commandments in regards to the owning and treatment of slaves in ancient Israel?

Clearly yes. God was fine with slavery, but had a problem with polyester blends. If a god can ban something as minor as specific clothing or even ban eating bacon (and that is heresy if there ever was one) then he can surely say "Hey! People should not own other people!"

God also gave ancient Israel specific commandments involving unintentional manslaughter and border disputes.

You don't believe that God should give specific commandments to His covenant people?

There is no problem with giving commandments as long as they are consistent and moral. The God of the Bible is neither.

Are you talking about the idea that Mankind sprang from Adam and Eve.

All you said against that idea was "genetics" and then made assumptions about one species becoming another.

No, I told you one way that we know. The actual topic will take quite a while for you to learn. Are you willing to learn? You clearly are not educated in this matter. That does not mean that you cannot learn.

Would you mind citing this supposed failed prophecy?

You mean that you have never read your Bible nor did not look into the Tyre prophecy? The Tyre prophecy was specifically about Nebuchadnezzar and told how he would totally obliterate Tyre from the face of the Earth never to be found again:

Google Maps

Google maps alone refutes it.

 

[Jose Fly]

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

CLICK HERE

It's a repeatedly observed and documented fact.

 

[Skwim]

All of your comments are based on the assumption that Mankind has evolved from another species.

The scriptures refute that idea and I believe them to be true.

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

I suggest you take a look at.. .. an excellent explanation (just click on the book)

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[Prestor John]

No, I need to correct you from the start. It has been shown that man evolved from other species. Whether you realize it or not this is an accusation on your part.

No such evidence exists. You are merely sharing a statement of belief.

It is one that you cannot support and therefore a bearing of false witness.

You don't understand what bearing of false witness is.

But the scriptures have been shown to be wrong regardless of what you believe.

No one said that the Bible or other scriptures were perfect.

However, the account of Man's creation has yet to be refuted.

Mind sharing where the scriptures are "wrong"?

Personal belief is still no excuse for breaking the Ninth Commandment.

Yeah. You still don't understand what it means to bear false witness.

Then at best you do not understand the evidence.

I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong, yet I do not see where I am wrong here.

What is the most compelling evidence?

Have you ever tried to learn why you are wrong? Most creationists do not even understand the concept of evidence and are afraid to learn.

Sock it to me.

 

[Prestor John]

CLICK HERE

It's a repeatedly observed and documented fact.

What do you want me to take out of that thread?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No such evidence exists. You are merely sharing a statement of belief.

You are wrong. You are either incredibly ignorant or openly lying. Ignorance can be cured with education. But like I said you probably do not even understand the concept of evidence. Why don't we discuss that first? If you understand we should be able to move on. If not you will have an opportunity to learn.

You don't understand what bearing of false witness is.

Actually I do. It appears that you do not understand the concept. It is not lying. It goes further than that. In fact lying about yourself that does not involve others is not a violation of that commandment.

No one said that the Bible or other scriptures were perfect.

However, the account of Man's creation has yet to be refuted.

Well it is nice to hear you make the first admission, but your second claim is demonstrably wrong. Once again you should try to learn why and how we know that the Genesis stories are myths.

Mind sharing where the scriptures are "wrong"?

We are discussing Genesis, aren't we?

Yeah. You still don't understand what it means to bear false witness.

You can keep repeating this error, that will not make it correct.

I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong, yet I do not see where I am wrong here.

That is only because you lack the education to understand how you are wrong. Are you willing to learn?

What is the most compelling evidence?

Sock it to me.

First you must understand the nature of evidence. Creationists are too apt to lie or deny evidence when they do not understand the concept. Others have given you links. I want to go over the very basics first.

 

[Jose Fly]

What do you want me to take out of that thread?

The post I linked to contains multiple links to scientific papers that describe the observed evolution of new species. So it's as I described....the evolution of new species is a repeatedly observed and documented fact.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you want me to take out of that thread?

That thread explains the evolution of birds, a much bigger change than a mere change in species. Most creationists do not even understand what a species is and try to call a change in species "microevolution". What they do not understand is that it is all just evolution. For an analogy whether one walks to the neighbors house or walks across the country one is still walking.

 

[Enoch07]

We have been through this before, some of it several times. Others have agreed with me, none with you. It is my opinin you are just attention seeking so enough. I will post this then put you ignore.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

All of your comments are based on the assumption that Mankind has evolved from another species.

Yes, that is assumed in evolutionary theory. All species evolved from prior species.

The idea that man evolved from ancestral apes is also well supported by the fossil and genetic data. That we, like the other apes, evolved from non-primate ancestors is supported by comparative anatomy studies, comparative physiology studies, comparative embryology studies, and comparative biochemistry.

Evolutionary theory predicts the presence of this connectedness - these nested hierarchies. It is a necessary consequence of universal descent from a single ancient ancestral population.

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

Proof isn't necessary. The evidence is robust - so much so that if Darwin's theory were falsified, there would be no alternative hypothesis apart from some type of intelligent design by a devious entity that wanted it to appear to us that we had evolved, but either made a mistake and accidentally put a rabbit in a pre-cambrian layer that we discovered, or was playing an elaborate hoax on us including planting Easter eggs for us to find to blow our minds.

If you find those scenarios plausible, you might also consider vat-in-a-brain scenarios, matrix scenarios, and forms of last Thursdayism. It's pretty much all that we would be left with, none of which is consistent with Christian theology. That is, whether Darwin's theory is falsified or not, Christianity simply isn't consistent with what's been found to date, none of which goes away with falsification of the theory.

Do you take issue with God giving specific commandments in regards to the owning and treatment of slaves in ancient Israel?

Of course. Don't you?

 

[Polymath257]

All of your comments are based on the assumption that Mankind has evolved from another species.

The scriptures refute that idea and I believe them to be true.

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

Have you looked at the evidence? Or just dismissed it out of hand because it conflicts with your dogma?

 

[Audie]

All of your comments are based on the assumption that Mankind has evolved from another species.

The scriptures refute that idea and I believe them to be true.

Even though I believe that over time changes can be made within a species I do not see any evidence that proves that one species evolves into another.

Of course, the assumption was that mankind started out as, mankind. That assumption has been challenged with evidence.

The scriptures may be true, but everyone has his own
"true" interpretation, dont you think so?

As for you personally not seeing evidence, that may
be much like me saying that I've not seen any evidence
that Australia is really where they say it is.

 

[allright]

Evolutionists are always demanding creationist prove their theory by explaining the evidence of evolution mainly dependent on the fossil record

In the Bible it says "Since they rejected the truth God will send on them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false
, even to the point of letting the Antichrist performing real miracles"

Please prove that God did not place the fossils that support evolution in the earth to deceive those who wanted to reject the truth of his word and these animals never really existed as living creatures

 

[Subduction Zone]

Evolutionists are always demanding creationist prove their theory by explaining the evidence of evolution mainly dependent on the fossil record

In the Bible it says "Since they rejected the truth God will send on them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false
, even to the point of letting the Antichrist performing real miracles"

Please prove that God did not place the fossils that support evolution in the earth to deceive those who wanted to reject the truth of his word and these animals never really existed as living creatures

First off creationists do not have theory. Learn your terminology. Second When one makes a claim that burden of proof is upon the person making the positive assertion. That is why people ask for evidence.

Third you are now claiming that God lied. Claiming that you believe in a lying God gives you no reason at all to believe in him.

And evolution does not rely solely on the fossil record, but it is enough on its own to negate creationist claims. Genesis has been shown to be a book of myths. That is all.

 

[Audie]

Evolutionists are always demanding creationist prove their theory by explaining the evidence of evolution mainly dependent on the fossil record

In the Bible it says "Since they rejected the truth God will send on them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false
, even to the point of letting the Antichrist performing real miracles"

Please prove that God did not place the fossils that support evolution in the earth to deceive those who wanted to reject the truth of his word and these animals never really existed as living creatures

Please understand that it is impossible to prove a theory, or to prove a negative.

To say "evolutionists always" ask for such proof is of course false, and rather insulting.

You are not doing your "faith" much credit with such invidious nonsense in place of
something meaningful to say.

 

[allright]

First off creationists do not have theory. Learn your terminology. Second When one makes a claim that burden of proof is upon the person making the positive assertion. That is why people ask for evidence.

Third you are now claiming that God lied. Claiming that you believe in a lying God gives you no reason at all to believe in him.

And evolution does not rely solely on the fossil record, but it is enough on its own to negate creationist claims.


Genesis has been shown to be a book of myths. That is all.

by who

God didnt lie he never said the fossils were the remains of living creatures.

 

[Subduction Zone]

by who

God didnt lie he never said the fossils were the remains of living creatures.

He didn't have to. Please, if you can't be serious why even try?