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"One Fact to Refute Creationism"

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
OK, this is what I was aksing for. What is missing *for you* to be convinced?
I honestly don't know and I have been trying to answer this question myself.

That was why I asked others to share what they consider to be the most convincing evidence.

Perhaps what they share is what is needed to tip the scales.
OK, so what would it take to convince you that the hominoids from 1 million years ago are ancestors of modern humans?
I can't think of anything.

At first I would say genetics, but any and all genetic information that we share with these hominids, or other creatures, is due to the process of the formation of Adam's physical body, which was comprised of the "dust" of the Earth.

This "dust" contained particles from all the Earth and was the information that Adam's body would require in order to survive on this planet.

The consistency or make-up of this "dust" was decided to the exact detail by the Creator of all things.

So, it was no wonder to me to discover that we are genetically similar to these hominids. God placed those Man-like creatures on the Earth to prove to us that it was inhabitable for Man.
Is there *any* way to know ancestry from that time period in your opinion?
I would present my views concerning the formation of Man's original physical body to explain any and all supposed ancestry from that period.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
That depends heavily on *which* creationist perspective. Those that think the Earth is less than 20,000 years old can be shown to be wrong.

Those that think modern humans existed 10 million years ago can also be shown wrong.

Ancestry is a bit more challenging, but with knowledge of some biology, it can be demonstrated.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and we believe that there are prophets today who have been called to lead in Christ's Church.

One of their responsibilities is clarifying scripture and I believe they do so by revelation from the Son of God.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
My only contention is that the evidence is not as conclusive as many would have us believe and that they could be explained from a Creationist perspective.

If that was true there would be some doubt in the world of science. Instead we only find a handful of loons that believe your myths.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Anyways, I'm tired of the juvenile games you all are playing.

We all know that science does not deal in proof, but you are all acting as though it does.

Stephen Hawking has claimed on multiple occasions that the Laws of Physics rule out the existence of God.

All you three have done is participated in bully tactics and group think.

Not once have you offered up any of the "evidence" you claim "proves" that you are right.

Polymath 257 is the only forum member here who actually wanted to have a conversation.

I will continue to read new comments posted here with the hope that any one of you will finally share what you claim to have in abundance, but I won't hold my breath.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Guilty of sin

What parts of Genesis can you not believe and still be a Christian
Some people think that the events recorded in Genesis are simply allegories.

They do not understand that the Atonement of Christ makes no sense without the literal Fall of Man.
 

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
Anyways, I'm tired of the juvenile games you all are playing.

Why are you projecting? You aren't addressing half the things posted to you and are quite literally playing around having to support your claims. :D

Stephen Hawking has claimed on multiple occasions that the Laws of Physics rule out the existence of God.

If you understand the concepts of "mental gymnastics" and "bearing false witness," you should probably recant this false statement.

All you three have done is participated in bully tactics and group think.

You repeat a claim like a parrot and accuse others of group-think.

False claim I might add.

Not once have you offered up any of the "evidence" you claim "proves" that you are right.

My evidence: Your avoidance of the issue. And your failure to come up with the quote that proves your claim.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Anyways, I'm tired of the juvenile games you all are playing.

We all know that science does not deal in proof, but you are all acting as though it does.

Stephen Hawking has claimed on multiple occasions that the Laws of Physics rule out the existence of God.

All you three have done is participated in bully tactics and group think.

Not once have you offered up any of the "evidence" you claim "proves" that you are right.

Polymath 257 is the only forum member here who actually wanted to have a conversation.

I will continue to read new comments posted here with the hope that any one of you will finally share what you claim to have in abundance, but I won't hold my breath.


Science can show some ideas to be wrong. And you are projecting your flaws upon others. You make false claims about others and then run away when confronted. Why don't you simply admit that you were wrong? We could move on once you did that.

And once again with a claim about Hawking. When and where did he ever say that the laws of physics rule out the existence of God?

I offered to have a discussion with you, you could not be honest. You could not be polite. If you can post properly and politely I will gladly have a conversation with you and do the same in return. You do not know how you have been rude even after it was explained to you how breaking up posts excessively is the same as constantly interrupting someone.

Last chance. We could discuss the nature of evidence since you seem to have a problem with it. I will not lecture, if you want to go over the concept we need to have a conversation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Some people think that the events recorded in Genesis are simply allegories.

They do not understand that the Atonement of Christ makes no sense without the literal Fall of Man.


You are somewhat correct. The "Atonement of Christ makes no sense". One does not need the Fall of Man as an excuse.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
Anyways, I'm tired of the juvenile games you all are playing.

We all know that science does not deal in proof, but you are all acting as though it does.

Stephen Hawking has claimed on multiple occasions that the Laws of Physics rule out the existence of God.

All you three have done is participated in bully tactics and group think.

Not once have you offered up any of the "evidence" you claim "proves" that you are right.

Polymath 257 is the only forum member here who actually wanted to have a conversation.

I will continue to read new comments posted here with the hope that any one of you will finally share what you claim to have in abundance, but I won't hold my breath.

The juvenile game is you trying to get out of your falsehood.

Phony:

"It is a well-known fact that Stephen Hawking has repeatedly claimed that science has proven that there is no God."

and speaking of immature-you try to put the fault on others, calling it "bully tactics" to ask you to show some character and agree that you were mistaken.

It might -might. that is be worthwhile to have a conversation with you, but talking with a person who posts falsehoods,
and points fingers at others rather than being honest,
well, that is not worthwhile.

I have your measure now, and it is not much.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Guilty of sin

What parts of Genesis can you not believe and still be a Christian


Pretty much all of it. One can believe that it was just a morality tale and had nothing to do with reality. People are not perfect because we never were perfect. But of course the story of Christ's so called sacrifice makes no sense no matter how much one tries to fix it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I'm still waiting.

I hope you wait and wait and wait and wait, and NOBODY will address you again until you man up
and admit you made up this phony baloney.


"It is a well-known fact that Stephen Hawking has repeatedly claimed that science has proven that there is no God."
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
I hope you wait and wait and wait and wait, and NOBODY will address you again until you man up
and admit you made up this phony baloney.


"It is a well-known fact that Stephen Hawking has repeatedly claimed that science has proven that there is no God."
I am waiting for you to show support for your empty claim.
I have shared the Wikipedia page which both quoted him and shared the sources twice with you now.

Your unwillingness to accept the facts is no blemish on my record.

Are you going to continue with the virtue signaling and ad hominem attacks or actually provide what you claim to have?
 
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