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They asking you concerning the spirit, say the spirit is from the command/authority of my Lord and you have not been given knowledge of it but a little.


The Holy spirit - we know little of it, but Mohammad (s) knows a lot of it especially he is one on the instances of it. However, it's also true no one knows it fully and it's true secret but God himself, this is expressed elsewhere "no one knows the forces of your Lord but Him"

 

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They asking you concerning the spirit, say the spirit is from the command/authority of my Lord and you have not been given knowledge of it but a little.


The Holy spirit - we know little of it, but Mohammad (s) knows a lot of it especially he is one on the instances of it. However, it's also true no one knows it fully and it's true secret but God himself, this is expressed elsewhere "no one knows the forces of your Lord but Him"

I put the ayat (verse) from the Quran. Allah is talking about your soul what it is. We know very little about it and I just put the translations up of the ayat. I can get the exegesis of this ayat but it is kinda explanatory since we know very little about it in the first place and Allah states that lol

 

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It's talking about the spirit of command/holy spirit. They are wondering what the holy spirit is, and God is saying it's defined to be that the spirit from his Authority/Command.

The Ruh in Quran is about the spirit in Adam and Prophets, that's the context in Quran.

 

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In Surah 42, it talks about the spirit from his command being a light by which he guides who he pleases from his servants.

Brother, no where is Ruh talked about in Quran, but in this context.

 

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It's talking about the spirit of command/holy spirit.

The Ruh in Quran is about the spirit in Adam and Prophets, that's the context in Quran.

You must not confuse the two. The holy spirit as far as the Christians go is that part of the trinity...is a HE.

The rooh as for given the message to that of the messengers and prophets is that Jibreel alayhi salam.

We all know that the soul in the Quran (in that verse I quoted) is that Allah is talking about is indeed the soul that each of us have.
Which aya are you referring to?


“Say (O Muhammad): “Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel (Gabriel)(let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah’s Permission, confirming what came before it [i.e. the Tauraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and guidance and glad tidings for the believers”

[al-Baqarah 2:97]

 

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وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ | Thus have We inspired(or revealed to) you a Spirit of Our command. You did not know what the Book is, nor what is faith; but We made it a light that We may guide by its means whomever We wish of Our servants. Indeed, you guide to a straight path, | Ash-Shura : 52

 

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You must not confuse the two. The holy spirit as far as the Christians go is that part of the trinity...is a HE.

The rooh as for given the message to that of the messengers and prophets is that Jibreel alayhi salam.

We all know that the soul in the Quran (in that verse I quoted) is that Allah is talking about is indeed the soul that each of us have.
Which aya are you referring to?


“Say (O Muhammad): “Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel (Gabriel)(let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah’s Permission, confirming what came before it [i.e. the Tauraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and guidance and glad tidings for the believers”

[al-Baqarah 2:97]

It's not Gabriel, like the verse I quoted shows, it's a spirit for example in Mohammad (s).

Gabriel (a) revealed Quran, but Mohammad (s) understands through the holy spirit and Mohammad (s) revealing to humans, is himself being the spirit from his command. God always sends revelations with blowing the spirit of his command to who he wishes of his servants. They are never revealed (books) to people who are not instances of the holy spirit and spirit of his Authority.

 

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وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ | Thus have We inspired(or revealed to) you with a Spirit of Our command. You did not know what the Book is, nor what is faith; but We made it a light that We may guide by its means whomever We wish of Our servants. Indeed, you guide to a straight path, | Ash-Shura : 52

It is the Quran
It's the light of guidance

 

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It is the Quran
It's the light of guidance

No it's the spirit of God's command, of which Mohammad (s) is instance of, by saying "and indeed you guide to a straight path". The topic is spirit of God's command here, the emphasis is that, not the book.

 

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The Quran itself reminds of Mohammad (s) and calls to him. Mohammad (s) calls to the Quran. They are one light, but here, it's saying, the spirit of God's Command is a light by which God guides who he pleases of his servants and indeed Mohammad (s) (being an instance of it) guides to a path that is straight.

Of course, Quran primarily is to remind of this reality, and so Quran guidance and spirit of the command is one and the same. This is why Prophet (s) said "I am leaving you two weighty things, Quran and my family, the two shall not separate till they return to me at my pond".

 

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The spirit of God's Authority/Command on creation is a huge topic in Quran.

 

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Have a look at the LDS God the Father has his own separate body , Jesus has a body and is a God , the holy spirit doesn't but is still a separate God , Satan is Jesus brother so hes a God - one of God the fathers children - the LDS God the father has many children. Also you would think Mary is Jesus mother not in the LDS she is a unnamed God who had relations with God the father. Hey and a lot of people accept them as Christian.

 

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The spirit of God's Authority/Command on creation is a huge topic in Quran.

The spirit of
I mean the light is considered to be Quran.

وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ
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وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ
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صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الْأُمُورُ
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It is not given to any human being that Allah should speak to him unless (it be) by revelation, or from behind a veil, or (that) He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His leave. Verily, He is Most High, Most Wise
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And thus We have sent to you Ruh of Our command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith. But We have made it a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our servants We will. And verily, you are indeed guiding to a straight path
(52)
The path of Allah to Whom belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth. Verily, all matters at the end go to Allah
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Rooh is revelation.
“And truly, this (the Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists),
Which the trustworthy Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought down
Upon your heart (O Muhammad) that you may be (one) of the warners,
In the plain Arabic language”
al-Shu’araa’ 26:192-195


Jibreel (peace be upon him) spoke to Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) directly, with no barrier in between, and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh saw him in his true form. This was reported in many aayaat (verses of the Quran) and ahadith (reports of the things that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said and did).

Allaah says
“By the star when it goes down (or vanishes).
Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed.
He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power [Jibreel (Gabriel)].”
al-Najm 53:1-5

As for the creation of Adam

“Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”
Aal ‘Imraan 3:59

“And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration” al-Hijr 15:29.

“The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him "
al-Nisa’ 4:171 meaning Allah created that soul-all he has to do is say Be and it is!

 

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Have a look at the LDS God the Father has his own separate body , Jesus has a body and is a God , the holy spirit doesn't but is still a separate God , Satan is Jesus brother so hes a God - one of God the fathers children - the LDS God the father has many children. Also you would think Mary is Jesus mother not in the LDS she is a unnamed God who had relations with God the father. Hey and a lot of people accept them as Christian.

:/ Mormons? Don't even wanna go there lol

I have a meetin lol might reply later when I finish.

 

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It's all fine & dandy what you may believe, but it's obvious that you have swallowed a conspiracy theory based on 0 evidence. On top of that, it is ludicrous for you to say that the Council played God as that is clearly not what they were doing.

Maybe read this: First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia Here's one short segment from that:
This synod had been charged with investigation of the trouble brought about by the Arian controversy in the Greek-speaking east.[19] To most bishops, the teachings of Arius were heretical and dangerous to the salvation of souls.[20] In the summer of 325, the bishops of all provinces were summoned to Nicaea, a place reasonably accessible to many delegates, particularly those of Asia Minor, Georgia, Armenia, Syria, Egypt, Greece, and Thrace.

According to Warren H. Carroll, in the Council of Nicaea, "The Church had taken her first great step to define revealed doctrine more precisely in response to a challenge from a heretical theology."[21]

and who are the church to define what God's doctrine is. Don't you think God is better than man? Man is fallible God is not. God's message ...if he were to have left it in the hands of men, well you see what has happened in the Jewish and Christian religions. They have their own books now and they add and delete and they make their own rules up and they don't even preach what is inside the bible. That is why Allah said HE will protect the Quran and until this day remains the same.

 

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The spirit of
I mean the light is considered to be Quran.

وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ
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وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ
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صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الْأُمُورُ
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It is not given to any human being that Allah should speak to him unless (it be) by revelation, or from behind a veil, or (that) He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His leave. Verily, He is Most High, Most Wise
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And thus We have sent to you Ruh of Our command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith. But We have made it a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our servants We will. And verily, you are indeed guiding to a straight path
(52)
The path of Allah to Whom belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth. Verily, all matters at the end go to Allah
(53)


Rooh is revelation.
“And truly, this (the Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists),
Which the trustworthy Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought down
Upon your heart (O Muhammad) that you may be (one) of the warners,
In the plain Arabic language”
al-Shu’araa’ 26:192-195


Jibreel (peace be upon him) spoke to Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) directly, with no barrier in between, and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh saw him in his true form. This was reported in many aayaat (verses of the Quran) and ahadith (reports of the things that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said and did).

Allaah says
“By the star when it goes down (or vanishes).
Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed.
He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power [Jibreel (Gabriel)].”
al-Najm 53:1-5

As for the creation of Adam

“Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”
Aal ‘Imraan 3:59

“And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration” al-Hijr 15:29.

“The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him "
al-Nisa’ 4:171 meaning Allah created that soul-all he has to do is say Be and it is!

Well we'll agree to disagree. To me Ruh is in context of what is breathed in the Prophets (a) and why they are chosen above Angels (a). But to each their own.

 

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The spirit of
I mean the light is considered to be Quran.

وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ
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وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ
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صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الْأُمُورُ
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It is not given to any human being that Allah should speak to him unless (it be) by revelation, or from behind a veil, or (that) He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His leave. Verily, He is Most High, Most Wise
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And thus We have sent to you Ruh of Our command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith. But We have made it a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our servants We will. And verily, you are indeed guiding to a straight path
(52)
The path of Allah to Whom belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth. Verily, all matters at the end go to Allah
(53)

That can't be the emphasis, because it "nor what the faith" that is mentioned after by grammar it can't refer back to book giving the two options we can't pick by the "it" reference, so it's a side comment, the emphasis by context, is still the Spirit of his command which is introduced in the verse and the emphasis obviously that, and it continues that Mohammad (s) guides to a path that is straight.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

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:/ Mormons? Don't even wanna go there lol

I have a meetin lol might reply later when I finish.

I don't know much about the Mormons/LDS
But their founder was someone by the name of Joseph Smith. He professed an angel appeared unto him to have plural marriages...actually threatened him and his youngest was that of 14yrs. He also believed that Jesus appeared unto him. Joseph Smith, their first prophet and President of the Church, taught, "A man must be called by God by prophecy and by the laying on hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof" (Articles of Faith 1:5).

There is so much wrong with LDS that I don't feel I need to continue lol

ما کانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبا أَحَد مِنْ رِجالِکُمْ وَ لکِنْ رَسُولَ اللّهِ وَ خاتَمَ النَّبِیِّینَ وَ کانَ اللّهُ بِکُلِّ شَیْء عَلِیماً
Muḥammad is not the father of any of your men, but is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of all things.
AlAhzaab 33:40

 

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Well we'll agree to disagree. To me Ruh is in context of what is breathed in the Prophets (a) and why they are chosen above Angels (a). But to each their own.

yes, to each his own.
We are taught that the Messengers are infallible, we are to learn and take from them, their message from Allah that was sent to them. Angels are made of light, they never tire of worshipping Allah for that is why they were created. The prophets, yes were/are superior to the angels even though they were created differently. and Allah knows best on that decision.
The Holy Spirit however, is what the Christians are meaning when we talk about the rooh-they actually believe it to be part of the 3-Godhead. Well I should say the Trinitarians not all Christians believe 3 in 1.

 

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The Holy Spirit however, is what the Christians are meaning when we talk about the rooh-they actually believe it to be part of the 3-Godhead. Well I should say the Trinitarians not all Christians believe 3 in 1.

The reason they made a 3rd part of trinity, is to make ambiguous the Prophecy for Mohammad (s) who is an instance of the holy spirit and Elyas (a) was the holy spirit in the mean time between Isa (a) and Mohammad (s). The comforter/praised one (the later proper translation) would be too clear without confusing people with trinity.