One More Reason Donny Has To Twist And Turn At Night

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As far as something to lock him up for, obviously not, but as far as exposing him as a lying serial adulterer who prefers to have trysts with a porn star and models while his wife is about to give birth, and tries to keep it quiet by bribing the women involved, it's a beaut. Not that fundamentalist Christians, of all people, seem to care.

"Donny can do anything because He never lies and is the best President we've ever had, despite all the fake news the commie liberals spread about him, like:

One question: Why do people still back him?
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Well stop the presses! A man had an affair! I hope you are enjoying this as much as I am.

 

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Speculation is the unicorn of logic, evidently. Still nothing on Trump.



I'm glad I've given you a reason for existing, but you have to have a charge to got to court. To have a charge you have to have that tricky little devil called evidence (not just hopeful innuendo). Now try to follow me on this, you have neither of these on Trump for--wait for it--anything. But, again, thanks for playing.

I will repeat he is a harraser, something that brings people down by mere allegation. Just because he is above the law doesnt mean he isnt guilty as sin. He has the money to pay off all his victims but such is our "justice" system. He gets no sympathy from me but I'm glad you care so much for his well being.

 

[BSM1]

I will repeat he is a harraser, something that brings people down by mere allegation. Just because he is above the law doesnt mean he isnt guilty as sin. He has the money to pay off all his victims but such is our "justice" system. He gets no sympathy from me but I'm glad you care so much for his well being.

I care for your well being more. Please seek some sane outlet for all this pent up aggression and imaginary indignation.

 

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I care for your well being more. Please seek some sane outlet for all this pent up aggression and imaginary indignation.

Thanks but this isnt about me its about grab'em and chief.

 

[BSM1]

Thanks but this isnt about me its about grab'em and chief.

Breathe, Idav. Breathe...

 

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Breathe, Idav. Breathe...

Actually I'm in one of my better moods. Hey if those chicks rather have the cash who am I to judge, doesnt change what i said though, tis what we call justice these days.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

you have to have a charge to go to court. To have a charge you have to have that tricky little devil called evidence (not just hopeful innuendo). Now try to follow me on this, you have neither of these on Trump for--wait for it--anything. But, again, thanks for playing.

So you don't see any evidence of Trump's guilt? Maybe you aren't looking iin the right places for it.

If your argument is that the public doesn't have enough evidence to prosecute a criminal case against Trump, then you are correct. If your argument is that there is no evidence that this will be forthcoming, I disagree.

Whether Trump is guilty or not, he behaves as if he is guilty. Why did he fire Comey? Why did he warn Mueller not to cross a red line and examine his business financial record? Why wouldn't he release his taxes? Why has he removed everybody from the FBI that could corroborate Comey's account of what happened? http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-told-mccabe-rybicki-baker-trump-fired-2018-3 Why did he recently begin attacking Mueller and calling his investigation a partisan witch hunt before being officially accused of anything by Mueller?

House Republican Trey Gowdy recently instructed Trump's former attorney John Dowd, "If you have an innocent client ... act like it." Dowd quit noot long thereafter. Gowdy to Trump attorney: 'If you have an innocent client ... act like it' - CNNPolitics Why do you suppose he said that?

And we know Trump's character and his history. He's already had to pay a $25 million fine for fraud regarding his Trump University Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement , and a $10 million dollar payout regarding money laundering at the Taj Mahal casino Trump Taj Mahal casino settles U.S. money laundering claims

And he cheats at everything. He cheats on his wives, he cheated in the election, he's violated his oath of office to protect the constitution, he has emolument violations to contend with soon (I understand that Maryland and DC have recently filed suit, and New York is poised to do the same), he has cheated employees and subcontactors, and I just linked you to how he cheated the law money laundering and cheated students at Trump university.

And he has surrounded himself with appears to be a swamp of career criminals and an inordinate number of people with Russian connections that they felt that they needed to lie about, some of which are close family, and many of which have already been indicted.

Is that normal? About how any of your friends is that true? How many people that you have chosen to work with you or advise you are in legal trouble?

Is that evidence that there might be a case against Trump? It is to me, and apparently to millions of others who see Trump as a sinking ship. Apparently Kellyanne Conway''s husband just jumped that ship along with Trey Gowdy.

And this is only what the public knows, We have good reason to believe that Mueller has much more. Flynn has flipped on Trump, likely Sessions, Bannon, Hope Hicks, Gates, Nader(he got total immunity, which none of the others got - he must have something of value), and soon he may have Manafort's, Stone's, and Kushner's cooperation as well.

Then there's the sealed indictments. Why are they sealed? We have nineteen other indictments that weren't sealed. They're public knowledge. It's a reasonable bet that some are against Trump where he can be connected to players that he might try to pardon such as Manafort, Kushner, Ivanka, and Donald Jr. If so, Trump is officially a suspect in all of those crimes named in the indictments.

Donald Trump Jr. said it very well to Sean Hannity when they were discussing Hillary Clinton: “Sean, there’s zero statistical probability that you can have that much controversy, that many allegations, all of those things, and there not be any fire.”

 

[BSM1]

So you don't see any evidence of Trump's guilt? Maybe you aren't looking iin the right places for it.

If your argument is that the public doesn't have enough evidence to prosecute a criminal case against Trump, then you are correct. If your argument is that there is no evidence that this will be forthcoming, I disagree.

Whether Trump is guilty or not, he behaves as if he is guilty. Why did he fire Comey? Why did he warn Mueller not to cross a red line and examine his business financial record? Why wouldn't he release his taxes? Why has he removed everybody from the FBI that could corroborate Comey's account of what happened? http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-told-mccabe-rybicki-baker-trump-fired-2018-3 Why did he recently begin attacking Mueller and calling his investigation a partisan witch hunt before being officially accused of anything by Mueller?

House Republican Trey Gowdy recently instructed Trump's former attorney John Dowd, "If you have an innocent client ... act like it." Dowd quit noot long thereafter. Gowdy to Trump attorney: 'If you have an innocent client ... act like it' - CNNPolitics Why do you suppose he said that?

And we know Trump's character and his history. He's already had to pay a $25 million fine for fraud regarding his Trump University Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement , and a $10 million dollar payout regarding money laundering at the Taj Mahal casino Trump Taj Mahal casino settles U.S. money laundering claims

And he cheats at everything. He cheats on his wives, he cheated in the election, he's violated his oath of office to protect the constitution, he has emolument violations to contend with soon (I understand that Maryland and DC have recently filed suit, and New York is poised to do the same), he has cheated employees and subcontactors, and I just linked you to how he cheated the law money laundering and cheated students at Trump university.

And he has surrounded himself with appears to be a swamp of career criminals and an inordinate number of people with Russian connections that they felt that they needed to lie about, some of which are close family, and many of which have already been indicted.

Is that normal? About how any of your friends is that true? How many people that you have chosen to work with you or advise you are in legal trouble?

Is that evidence that there might be a case against Trump? It is to me, and apparently to millions of others who see Trump as a sinking ship. Apparently Kellyanne Conway''s husband just jumped that ship along with Trey Gowdy.

And this is only what the public knows, We have good reason to believe that Mueller has much more. Flynn has flipped on Trump, likely Sessions, Bannon, Hope Hicks, Gates, Nader(he got total immunity, which none of the others got - he must have something of value), and soon he may have Manafort's, Stone's, and Kushner's cooperation as well.

Then there's the sealed indictments. Why are they sealed? We have nineteen other indictments that weren't sealed. They're public knowledge. It's a reasonable bet that some are against Trump where he can be connected to players that he might try to pardon such as Manafort, Kushner, Ivanka, and Donald Jr. If so, Trump is officially a suspect in all of those crimes named in the indictments.

Donald Trump Jr. said it very well to Sean Hannity when they were discussing Hillary Clinton: “Sean, there’s zero statistical probability that you can have that much controversy, that many allegations, all of those things, and there not be any fire.”

Soooo...you would rather convict someone by appearances than proof. Thank goodness our legal system is not that one-sided. BTW, I don't think you or any of us gets to put someone in jail by what we think they may have done. Come back when you have some real facts to hang your hat on.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Soooo...you would rather convict someone by appearances than proof.

If you're taking about the court of popular opinion, yeah, I'm willing to come to conclusions based on appearance. As more evidence surfaces pointing toward guilt or not, the degree of conviction varies.That's how that works

So yeah, I'm over 95% certain that Trump is guilty of crimes that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That might go up or down as new developments unfold, but I can't imagine any that would exonerate Trump.

My doubts are more with whether America would convict and sentence Trump even with airtight cases against him. Too much of America doesn't seem to care if Trump is a criminal. His approval rating recently spiked about 7% amid nonstop scandals that vary from sexual to criminal to political (he just hired his personal doctor to run Veterans Affairs, a man with zero qualifications for the job except perhaps recently lying about Trump's height and weight after Trump's recent annual physical exam).

I really don't know what Americans value any more.

Thank goodness our legal system is not that one-sided. BTW, I don't think you or any of us gets to put someone in jail by what we think they may have done.

Irrelevant to this matter.

The courts have a different purpose, standard, and authority. What we are doing here is nothing like what they do there, although I presume that jurors do the same thing while hearing the case - adjusting their estimates of guilt or innocence based on the latest evidence. But then, they do what we cannot - cast a verdict in a court of law that could cost somebody his freedom or life, and they don't get to change it after the verdict is read.

So, yes, a different standard and procedureis called for in a courtroom than in the court of popular opinion, the latter of which bases its judgments on appearances, and rightly so.

Come back when you have some real facts to hang your hat on.

You just saw them. They convinced me, and if you read what I wrote, apparently a few others as well.

And I'm sure that more facts will be forthcoming soon. We just found out about the illegal offer of pardons to Flynn and Manafort for not being a witness to Mueller, corroborated by independent sources including some that have flipped to Mueller already. Is that evidence of anything to you? It's meaningful to me.

It seems like a lot of Trump supporters want his detractors to back off. We hear to reserve judgment, or that he is innocent until proven guilty, or to move on, or that there is no evidence or case, or that Trump detractors are bitter over Hillary's loss or have Trump Derangement Syndrome..

Do you think that that expectation is realistic? Trump is despised by millions. Why wouldn't they express their feelings about him and what is happening to him? What you're witnessing is the equivalent of kids at the movies cheering as the sheriff in the white hat takes out the villain. This won't be ending any time soon.

And finally, do you think that Trump is owed better than he gave Obama (birther) and Clinton (Crooked Hillary, lock her up! She colluded with the Russians)?