One of my Moments.

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm just having one of my moments thinking about the descrimination between christians against homosexuality. I focus on Christians because I talk, live around, in an environment of, and basically just in a Christian environment. I don't even have to have a conversation about anything controversal for me to feel the constriction between my faith and practice (Buddhism), my practice (witchcraft), and my life (my ancestors). I just have this nagging, inner gut feeling that I want to screen out to the world not to accept me but to respect me. Life just doesn't work that way. Religious denominations will always have some religious that will speak not only for their faith but have unhealthy ways of doing so. I dont even think they see what they are doing to hurt the people they talk with. My co-worker was telling me about the sin of homosexuality; she doesn't know I'm lesbian. I asked her, "do you at least understand that two people, regardless of gender, can have a commitment with each other even if you disagree agree" she said no. She doesn't understand.

Not understanding leads to illogical condemning. It leads to defensiveness without actually having empathy and wanting to step in the shoes of those who you do not agree with. As if you're going to catch some unknown disease.

I am generalizing.

When Christian's see this:

They find beautiful in matrimony. Are they looking at their gender or their commitment and marriage?

Then they see this:

A man and a woman sinning. They are heterosexuals. Of course everyone sins. I read this quote that said

There are six admonishments in the Bible concerning homosexual activity, and our enemies are always throwing them up to us usually in a vicious way and very much out of context. What they don't want us to remember is that there are 362 admonishments in the Bible concerning heterosexual activity. I don't mean to imply by this that God doesn't love straight people, only that they seem to require a great deal more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner, Butch Fatale, 1992​

I could go through all the scriptures against homosexuality and prove that what those verses talk about are not what homosexuality is; however, that will take too much time.

Let me continue:

Then, I think... I see the beautiful in the first picture of the man and woman. Why would I not? I see the lust in the second picture, if I were Christian, of course I'd think it were sinful.

I have to wonder about this, though:

Isn't that a beautiful picture? Where do you see the lust? Why is this not the same as the first picture I shown you? How does their gender mask their commitment? That's like saying in the first picture they are in love because they are boy and girl. Commitment has nothing to do with that. It comes with the heart first. Whomever we are with boy or girl comes natural. Our consummation of our love comes natural.

Anyway.... then we see this:

Spoiler: Picture may be uncomfortable. Pg though

In the second and this picture above, do you see lust? Where is the XXX rating? Are are you assuming this is the case because of gender?

Assumptions hurt people. Regardless of your faith, assumptions create a wrong image of the person you are seeing. Then you forget about the other pictures (even the straight one) and focus on abominations. Where is that in these four pictures? The second one just shows a man and a woman's feet: there is no context. The one above just shows two men. They are wearing clothes!

Anyway....

Here is a list of quotes some of you may like to read. It's not R rated.
http://www.quotegarden.com/homosexuality.html

Christians, here are some scriptures that are exampled in a way that shows homosexuality, according to scripture, is not about men or women commiting their life to each other-in heart, mind, and action. http://peacetheology.net/homosexual...ebate-two-streams-of-biblical-interpretation/

While most likely this thread will only be read by moderators, it still goes to say that this is a pet peeve of mine.

I'm just having one of my moments.

 

[That one dude...]

Empathizing is hard to do and it's unfair to force it on someone. Sorry about your co-worker, though.

 

[Oldsoul]

I'm just having one of my moments.

^^^^^^
This will ease ALL your frustrations.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

^^^^^^
This will ease ALL your frustrations.

LOL Thank you!
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[Unveiled Artist]

Wrong brand. /imo/

It's cool. Chocolate's the best.

 

[Desert Snake]

It's cool. Chocolate's the best.

Ok, we can agree on that

/and some other flavors

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Empathizing is hard to do and it's unfair to force it on someone. Sorry about your co-worker, though.

Thank you. She was nice about it, just very religious.

 

[Thana]

I'm just having one of my moments thinking about the descrimination between christians against homosexuality. I focus on Christians because I talk, live around, in an environment of, and basically just in a Christian environment. I don't even have to have a conversation about anything controversal for me to feel the constriction between my faith and practice (Buddhism), my practice (witchcraft), and my life (my ancestors). I just have this nagging, inner gut feeling that I want to screen out to the world not to accept me but to respect me. Life just doesn't work that way. Religious denominations will always have some religious that will speak not only for their faith but have unhealthy ways of doing so. I dont even think they see what they are doing to hurt the people they talk with. My co-worker was telling me about the sin of homosexuality; she doesn't know I'm lesbian. I asked her, "do you at least understand that two people, regardless of gender, can have a commitment with each other even if you disagree agree" she said no. She doesn't understand.

Not understanding leads to illogical condemning. It leads to defensiveness without actually having empathy and wanting to step in the shoes of those who you do not agree with. As if you're going to catch some unknown disease.

I am generalizing.

When Christian's see this:

They find beautiful in matrimony. Are they looking at their gender or their commitment and marriage?

Then they see this:

A man and a woman sinning. They are heterosexuals. Of course everyone sins. I read this quote that said

There are six admonishments in the Bible concerning homosexual activity, and our enemies are always throwing them up to us usually in a vicious way and very much out of context. What they don't want us to remember is that there are 362 admonishments in the Bible concerning heterosexual activity. I don't mean to imply by this that God doesn't love straight people, only that they seem to require a great deal more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner, Butch Fatale, 1992​

I could go through all the scriptures against homosexuality and prove that what those verses talk about are not what homosexuality is; however, that will take too much time.

Let me continue:

Then, I think... I see the beautiful in the first picture of the man and woman. Why would I not? I see the lust in the second picture, if I were Christian, of course I'd think it were sinful.

I have to wonder about this, though:

Isn't that a beautiful picture? Where do you see the lust? Why is this not the same as the first picture I shown you? How does their gender mask their commitment? That's like saying in the first picture they are in love because they are boy and girl. Commitment has nothing to do with that. It comes with the heart first. Whomever we are with boy or girl comes natural. Our consummation of our love comes natural.

Anyway.... then we see this:

Spoiler: Picture may be uncomfortable. Pg though

In the second and this picture above, do you see lust? Where is the XXX rating? Are are you assuming this is the case because of gender?

Assumptions hurt people. Regardless of your faith, assumptions create a wrong image of the person you are seeing. Then you forget about the other pictures (even the straight one) and focus on abominations. Where is that in these four pictures? The second one just shows a man and a woman's feet: there is no context. The one above just shows two men. They are wearing clothes!

Anyway....

Here is a list of quotes some of you may like to read. It's not R rated.
http://www.quotegarden.com/homosexuality.html

Christians, here are some scriptures that are exampled in a way that shows homosexuality, according to scripture, is not about men or women commiting their life to each other-in heart, mind, and action. http://peacetheology.net/homosexual...ebate-two-streams-of-biblical-interpretation/

While most likely this thread will only be read by moderators, it still goes to say that this is a pet peeve of mine.

I'm just having one of my moments.

Maybe you should avoid discussing the topic with your coworker then?
I mean, if you want people to respect you then you have to respect that they're not going to agree with you on everything. That's just the way of the world. Like today whilst I was helping out in the cafe one of my co-helpers was sitting around telling people how she thinks women who walk alone at night and get raped because of it deserve it. That if they called the police the police shouldn't come and help them. That is was their fault. I was absolutely appalled! But I didn't say anything because I understand that she must have lived a life in which that perspective seems right to her. And honestly it's not my place to judge her.

And you are right, we're all sinners and hypocrites. And I know there are a lot of Christians out there who come down hard on homosexuality, but there are also a lot of Christians out there who support people's rights to live their lives as they please.

 

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Maybe you should avoid discussing the topic with your coworker then?
I mean, if you want people to respect you then you have to respect that they're not going to agree with you on everything. That's just the way of the world. Like today whilst I was helping out in the cafe one of my co-helpers was sitting around telling people how she thinks women who walk alone at night and get raped because of it deserve it. That if they called the police the police shouldn't come and help them. That is was their fault. I was absolutely appalled! But I didn't say anything because I understand that she must have lived a life in which that perspective seems right to her. And honestly it's not my place to judge her.

And you are right, we're all sinners and hypocrites. And I know there are a lot of Christians out there who come down hard on homosexuality, but there are also a lot of Christians out there who support people's rights to live their lives as they please.

Thank you for your warm reply. We talked about it once when we were watching tv and a commercial came on about it. She talks a lot about the bible in regular conversations. We can talk about scripture since I studied them however I dont have the experience. I talk about some of my buddhist faith. She isnt interested to have normal chit chat. I brought a friend over to chant and my co worker wanted me to ask her if she believed in "familar spirits" or something close. I asked cause I didnt know myself.

Found out my co worker wanted to confirm everyone believes in god just some deny it. She doesnt have a view that many people dont believe in god and that is okay. Its hard not to talk about the bible cause that is her language.

I see what you mean, though. I dont bring it up cause I dont want her to judge me even though we disagree.

Its just sad that religion or the religious can take away the rights of of others.